(February 14, 2017 at 1:22 am)Godschild Wrote:(February 13, 2017 at 10:57 pm)Aroura Wrote: So basically, all of you, 5 answering so far, depend entirely on the notion of freewill to explain pretty much everything. Quite the loophole it provides.
So this thread is destined to turn into yet another thread on freewill, and how it magically explains everything, even though there's as much evidence for it as there is for God, which is to say none. Your god delusion is dependent on a grand illusion, lol.
Looks like you would see that free will is a deep rooted part of Christianity, especially when all the Christians bring it up upfront. You don't like it because you either don't understand it or you can find no argument against it.
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Oh, there are arguments against it aplenty. First, free will is a later concept, not something which actually made it into the Bible. The Bible never even hints that this is a thing. Quite the opposite, God freely tampered with free will in the Bible. When she really wanted to punish people for ding bad she "hardened Pharaoh's heart" to make sure he would do bad so she could punish all the little babies in Egypt. The God of the Bible certainly doesn't hold free will as this sacred pinnacle his followers today do.
And then there's the big argument against it. If free will is so important, why will it no longer exist when you get to Heaven? If free will is so important to God then why is the destination sans-free will? I've never heard any Christian say that they think you will have the ability to sin in Heaven. So right now free will is the most important thing ever, but in Heaven it will be utterly unimportant? How about this as an alternate explanation. Given that free will is not mentioned in the Bible at all, that God herself tampers with it as if it's meaningless and that it will no longer exist in Heaven, isn't it possible that free will is really nothing more than a convenient excuse to throw out when your brain just isn't limber enough to do the real mental gymnastics it takes to excuse the idiocy and contradictions in your beliefs? Because I'm thinking that's the answer right there.
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