Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?

[Aroura]

So basically, all of you, 5 answering so far, depend entirely on the notion of freewill to explain pretty much everything. Quite the loophole it provides.

So this thread is destined to turn into yet another thread on freewill, and how it magically explains everything, even though there's as much evidence for it as there is for God, which is to say none. Your god delusion is dependent on a grand illusion, lol.

Looks like you would see that free will is a deep rooted part of Christianity, especially when all the Christians bring it up upfront. You don't like it because you either don't understand it or you can find no argument against it.

GC

I've clearly said that I don't believe in free-will at all. I've got a lot of arguments against it. It isn't magic that works in some areas and not in others.  Either we have it in some form, or we don't.  The evidence says we don't (unless you redefine freewill to mean unrestrained desires that are still dictated by prior events, which some people do, and call themselves Compatibilists).

(Why would I not believe in something I can find no argument against? Wouldn't that actually be I believe in it?  I suspect you don't understand it and have no argument against it. If you do have an argument against it, why do you still believe in it? lol. Project much?)
The kind most common Christians seem to rely on, which would be called Libertarian Free Will, and is widely decried as impossible to exist.
http://www.theopedia.com/libertarian-free-will

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So basically, all of you, 5 answering so far, depend entirely on the notion of freewill to explain pretty much everything. Quite the loophole it provides.

So this thread is destined to turn into yet another thread on freewill, and how it magically explains everything, even though there's as much evidence for it as there is for God, which is to say none. Your god delusion is dependent on a grand illusion, lol.

You say there is no evidence for Free Will. Isn't your conclusion that there is no Free Will based on naturalism--a philosophical position, and not based on science or other concrete 'evidence'? Why should I believe your ideology that there is nothing but natural properties and causes when I have very good reason to suspect there is more than that? In case you are going to ask what are my reasons, I would reply that Naturalism does not address why:

a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.

a. no it isn't, it's overly complicated and only raises more difficult questions.
b. no it isn't, it's overly complicated and only raises more difficult questions.
c. no it isn't, it's overly complicated and only raises more difficult questions.
d. no it isn't, it's overly complicated and only raises more difficult questions.
e. no it isn't, it's overly complicated and only raises more difficult questions.

Determinism is not a philosophical position any more than atheism is.  I just don't believe in it, as there is no scientific evidence it exists.  I'm an a-free-will-ist.  
You assert it exists, much like God, so it's on you to show me evidence that it does. You also assert there is something aside from the natural, so that's on you too.

Show me evidence of a choice made that was not affected by prior causes, ever, in all of human history. Go ahead, I'll just wait right here........

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A perfect being wouldn't make a world at all. They'd be so perfect they would be all that would be required to exist. In fact they wouldn't do anything, they'd be changeless. Nothing would need to happen. Everything would be perfect.

Haha, this is so true. 
Christians, tripped up by their own definition of God again.  

Is he perfect, YES, but he does imperfect things.
Is he Omnipotent, YES but he cannot create perfection.
Is he Omniescent, YES, but somehow we still have free-will (even if it's just to chose to love him).
Is he Omnibenevolent, YES, he didn't create evil, just the free-will to chose evil (so I guess humans created evil?  But he created us, so,this argument just always falls down).

The honest answers would be no to all, but not of them are intellectually honest enough with themselves to realize that.

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Those are some bold assertions. Got anything other than fantasy magic to back them up?

It was not my intention to hijack the thread with one or more Natural Theology arguments. I was questioning the reasoning Aroura used to conclude there is no evidence that Free Will exists. It seems to me that that is a metaphysical claim based on an assumption of Naturalism--which, in the absence of other reasons, is just begging the question.

And no, you don't get to shift the burden of proof.
You claim it exists.  You get to show us evidence for why it DOES exist. 
I don't have to prove it doesn't. 

Again, I'll be waiting right here for that evidence.....