Nonviolent Protest and Resistance Privileged

[paulpablo]

Saying someone's actions are justified in their own mind means nothing because every action that isn't involuntary must be justified in their own mind.
It renders the word useless. It's a peice of useless information.

Nonsense. People do things they know aren't justified all the time. Are you on something that's affecting your thinking?

Khem's point, which you clearly still don't get even after patient explication, is that when someone puts their own ass on the line, you have a pretty good metric on the level of justification that person feels.

At this point, you strike me as being more desirous of argument than understanding. I've seen this mood in you before and doubt the sincerity of your posting when I do see it.

ok but to narrow it down to the topic at hand, is anyone going to protest without justifying the action of protest to themselves?
I'd say it can be taken for granted the people protesting are justified, by someone at sometime even if it is themselves.

If that's the point khemical was making then I completely agree.

Usually if someone says "that's justified" they're talking about their opinion rather than meaning "that's justified in someone's mind at some point."

And as I previously said someone willing to die for a cause means nothing to any justification I'd place on a cause.
I'd have to judge it on factors other than if they're willing to die for it or not.

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I don't know what black block is, I saw you reference it when talking to abaris before and didn't know what it meant then.

It's very simple. I'm talking about the merits of individual cases and applying the same standard universally.

So I can't say this group here has some merits based on the fact that they're willing to die for their cause but that cult over there is crazy because they're willing to die for their cause.

Radical suggestion...maybe their willingness to die for their cause is based upon something other than mental instability in both cases?  Like.....an actual grievance?  

(the black block are those people that abaris mentioned and, to hear you tell it, make bumfights videos and riot because it's cool and/or profitable, just out to start shit..you know, the only group of protesters you deigned to comment on specifically)

If I'm honest and non hypocritial then I have to judge both groups based on merits beyond the factor of how much their willing to die.

Omitting that commitment in your metrics probably won't give you a full view of their case, cause, and motivations.

And that works for any individual also.

Apparently not.  You've told us what you think about cults and crazy people and terrorists, but have avoided any specific assessment of a specific group wtih a specific set of grievances that have resorted to violence in specific instances.

Doesn't make sense at all.

If you say to me the moment someone is willing to die for a cause then it's justified, why would I include in my disagreement with you talk about peaceful or justified protesters.

Do you think I don't think sheep exist because I didnt mention sheep exist in my last post?

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Also it doesn't make sense to say me and abaris are getting information from the same sources.

I specifically said I know nothing about black block and you were waffling on to me about black block assuming I know what you're talking about because abaris does

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Thump
That's because your comparisons and analogies aren't germane to the conversation, and generally speaking I avoid arguing with you because you have a dolt's insistence on refusing to see any point other than your own ... as you're amply demonstrating here.

And you're a pretencious old shit head who refuses to see any other point other than their own.