RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
February 15, 2017 at 1:27 am
(This post was last modified: February 15, 2017 at 1:40 am by Godscreated.)
(February 14, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Aroura Wrote: [quote='Godschild' pid='1509619' dateline='1487049742']
Aroura Wrote:I've clearly said that I don't believe in free-will at all. I've got a lot of arguments against it. It isn't magic that works in some areas and not in others.
So, because you don't believe in free will it doesn't exist, okay, that might work for you for me it holds no water. The reason I say this, because I do not see your arguments to be valid. You're right free will is not magic and it is a part of our lives until God's providence steps in. He may never alter any decisions you make but, for me He has and I'm grateful He cares enough to do so.
Aroura Wrote: Either we have it in some form, or we don't. The evidence says we don't (unless you redefine freewill to mean unrestrained desires that are still dictated by prior events, which some people do, and call themselves Compatibilists).
You and others can call by any name that floats your boat but free will is simply choice one makes no matter what outside influences aid in your decisions. Like I said in post #19 free will has no price to it nor do good decisions however, wrong and/or bad decisions come with a price.
Aroura Wrote:(Why would I not believe in something I can find no argument against? Wouldn't that actually be I believe in it?
I can't see you having an argument for us not having free will and what you believe in is a simple twist of definition to make your preconceived notion right.
Aroura Wrote: I suspect you don't understand it and have no argument against it. If you do have an argument against it, why do you still believe in it? lol. Project much?)
The kind most common Christians seem to rely on, which would be called Libertarian Free Will, and is widely decried as impossible to exist.
http://www.theopedia.com/libeSortarian-free-will
I know many Christians believe that God controls all in our lives to lead us to every decision we make so that His will is done and they call that free will because we do not realize what is actually taking place. I DO NOT. Choice has always been influenced by things that have previously happened in our lives and that choice is ours free and clear, the decision on the other hand could come with consequences.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.