(February 15, 2017 at 11:56 am)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 15, 2017 at 9:57 am)HairyCyclist Wrote: I was going by your logic... That perfection can't exist without imperfection. So to be clear.. Either God is not perfect or God came into existence at the same time as the universe. What you seem to be saying is that imperfection existed before the existence of the universe.
I already stated that the concept of imperfection already existed because God already knew the end from the beginning, hence why a sacrifice for sin was prepared before the foundation of the world.
Before creation, God was also a father, healer, savior etc. all these attributes were in God before creation. In order to be a Father, God needed children, In order to be a healer, sickness had to exist, in order to be a savior there needed to be something to save, and if God is perfect then imperfection also has to exist.
I'm not sure I agree with that. I like to think of God's properties in two different buckets: 1) necessary properties: those properties that are necessary to be God like the omni-properties, uncaused, morally perfect, etc. and 2) contingent properties: those properties that are brought about by a relationship or interaction other things or events like father, healer, savior, etc.
Knowledge of a future event cannot give you properties that only that event can give you. For example, the day before my wedding, I had knowledge of my impending vows, but did not gain the property of husband until the deed was done.
As it related to perfection prior to creation, I think that God understood the concept of imperfection, but there existed no imperfection yet.
