(February 15, 2017 at 2:26 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 15, 2017 at 1:52 pm)HairyCyclist Wrote: So imperfection pre-dates the universe, thank's for clearing that up.
To be clear, the concept of imperfection existed only in the thoughts of God.
God knew there would be imperfection, hence imperfection existed.
Let's use another example. Eternal life means life that had no beginning or end. The only eternal being is God, yet the bible states that eternal life is achievable, how so when we clearly had a beginning? Through foreknowledge. Those that achieve eternal life existed in the thoughts of God from the beginning, this is the concept of predestination.
If the elect are those that God foreknew, and the thoughts of God are eternal, this means that everyone he foreknew is also eternal.
Quote:Romans 8
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
You have done a grand job of moving the goal posts there Huggy, originally you said that perfection can not exist without imperfection.
So I made the case (based on your logic) that a perfect God could not have created the universe, unless imperfection existed before the creation.
Now you are saying that imperfection only existed in Gods mind, that is not the same thing as imperfection actually existing is it?
