(February 15, 2017 at 4:01 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(February 15, 2017 at 3:27 pm)HairyCyclist Wrote: You have done a grand job of moving the goal posts there Huggy, originally you said that perfection can not exist without imperfection.
I've moved no goal posts, I was speaking by definition, you cannot define perfection if imperfection doesn't exist.
(February 14, 2017 at 1:47 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: It's a common sense question, perfection cannot exist without imperfection because imperfection is what defines perfection, therefore one cannot truly appreciate or know what "perfection" is without experiencing imperfection.*emphasis mine*
Does the concept of a flawless diamond exist if there was no such thing as a flawed diamond? If flawed diamonds didn't exist then flawless would not be used in describing diamonds.
(February 15, 2017 at 3:27 pm)HairyCyclist Wrote: So I made the case (based on your logic) that a perfect God could not have created the universe, unless imperfection existed before the creation.
Now you are saying that imperfection only existed in Gods mind, that is not the same thing as imperfection actually existing is it?
Imperfection is a concept as I have stated repeatedly, if God is all knowing then he always knew about imperfection, hence it always existed.
Yes, but the perfect God you keep pushing is not just a concept to you is it? It's an actual being in your eyes. So how can you say a perfect God created the universe?
