Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?

[Godscreated]

Jesus has always existed, the Hebrew's have been expecting Him when the exile began. God has always existed and the acceptance of Him is through free will. Free will was so important to God from the beginning that He allowed Adam and Eve to choose to disobey Him. He wasn't going to interfere with perfect love. Adam and Eve chose to destroy that relationship.

Now you're just fucking with me. Jesus has always existed because people were "expecting him" AFTER some point in time? Oh, I get it. This is a sly shift away from "Free will is your ability to accept or reject Christ" to "Free will is your ability to accept or reject God". This is what you people do instead of saying, "You're right. I misspoke. I meant God." You dig yourself a big fucking hole, fill it to the top with hot steaming bullshit and dive right in head first. So Adam and Eve had the choice to follow or reject "Christ" because he always existed, even before he was prophesied? I can smell that from here.

Listen please, God is and always will be God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, they are one God in three persons, they are like minded and like matured. They have always existed and were for time unknown existing fine without this universe or humanity. Yes they had the choice to accept or reject Christ even though at that time He wasn't referred to as the Messiah. Some believe it was Christ who walked in the Garden with them and I tend to believe this, too.
So the only thing you smell is your inability to understand the scriptures.

I think you are a bit confused as to the nature of free will.  Free will is the ability to act freely according to my own will.  What you're talking about is the ability to make one single, extremely specific choice.

I know what free will means and I know God can act upon it because of His providence over His creation. Like I said before the only choice that God will not interfere with is our choice to accept Him (Jesus). Jesus said that He and the Father are one and that no one comes to the Son without an invitation from the Father.
God may or may not interfere in some decisions you make or have made but, you will never know if He has unless you are serving Him. God allows you many choices in your life without interference but sinful choices come with a price, non-sinful choices have no price against them by God or man.

GC



Well thank you. So it wasn't my memory which failed me at all (this time). I don't read every post in a thread. Even if I did, I wouldn't remember anything but vague ideas. I have a terrible memory.

Okay, I read it. Choose Christ or reject him. I'm sorry, but I don't see how that applies to Adam and Eve. I don't see how that applies to the twelve tribes of Israel. At no point were they told to "accept" Christ. To accept Christ is to be Christian. You can't be Christian before the Christ exists. I'm sorry, but you're just making up bullshit here. That would be a HUGE loophole for anyone before Jesus to get into Heaven. You can't go to Hell unless you've heard the word, after all, and Jews hardly went around preaching about the Christ a thousand years before his appearance. That makes Oprah God. You're going to Heaven, you're going to Heaven, you're going to Heaven, EVERYBODY is going to Heaven!
[/quote]

---

I think the word you're looking for is credulous, I'm not very credulous.  The answer is no, ofc.  

So, to recap, there's nothing wrong with the KJV, except that it's hard for people to understand (I'm guessing "people" doesn't include you, miraculously)...and except for that one part where it totally miffed a translation and got a whole bunch of people thinking that god created evil..when, really, he didn't do anything quite so bad, he just created disaster, is all.

It especially includes me, it's why I do not use it. I have 6 different translations and use 4 of them often. None of them differ from each other, some are easier to read and others are more of a literal translation, combined they help me to find answers to questions and find the truth to those questions. Of course all my study is God guided, something I'm sure you find funny but, I find it enlightening and in that the answers I seek.

I'd rather be credited with evil, personally, especially in light of what christer-god considers evil. Back-talking the menfolk and suchlike. I mean...I think we can both agree...that that's no earthquake, eh?

Any sin will find it's judgment whether now or in the next life. In that society and that time it was a big deal, respect means little today unfortunately.

GC