(February 16, 2017 at 10:44 am)Drich Wrote:(February 15, 2017 at 3:15 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote: So believe without any evidence first, then you'll get evidence?yes Christ asks for a mere mustard seed's worth of faith, which such an expenditure He said we would be able to move mountains of doubt.
Quote: How can you force yourself to believe something?The same way anyone who steps on a plane for the first time and does not completely understand the fundamentals of flight. You see other people do it and get where they are going, so you hop on and see if the plane will take you where you are supposed to go.
No, another bad analogy. I KNOW the plane exists. I KNOW the statistics of plane crashes. I KNOW enough about aerodynamics.
Quote:Could you force yourself to believe that there is no god?Absolutely this message board is proof of that!!
Really?! you can just decide to believe what you want?
Quote: This kind of faith is baffling. And the bible says faith is a gift from god, but, being raised religious and fervently believing, I guess I killed my faith with too many facts.
That's the thing though. we are not required blind faith forever. If your religion demands blind faith forever then it is empty of the Holy Spirit. If it is Jesus Christ centered you may still have salvation, but it will be out of sheer faith and blind trust in God. God commends those who can live like that.
You just said I needed blind faith to get evidence.
I was not one of these people. even now after all He has done my foritude can wavier when heavily tested. Thankfully I have the Holy Spirit to instruct and guide me through these trials. Lower will be my reward in heaven but at least for now I have found great joy in not living in blind faith and substance-less belief.
It's quite amazing what we can convince ourselves of.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
