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Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world?
(February 17, 2017 at 2:39 am)Godschild Wrote: The trinity consists of three distinct beings who are the one Godhead. I can't believe you would ask that from a Southern Baptist and I thought my statement was quite clear.

Again with the, “I was quite clear”.  I have already explained that I have a bad memory.  Whining when I don’t remember who you are or what particular beliefs you demand I accept as fact won’t change that.  If you have a problem with my memory take it up with Jesus.  If it were up to me I’d fucking change it.

(February 17, 2017 at 2:39 am)Godschild Wrote: God the Son has always been Jesus, Christ and Messiah, all four names belong to the same person of the Godhead. God is omnipresent and in that has always existed all the time in all times. You're trying to separate them and that's not possible, Jesus, the Christ and the Messiah are all the same person in the trinity. You should read John 10:22-30, in verses 30 Jesus himself said, "I and the Father are one." Meaning that He is as much God as the Father is. Now that we have this established let's see why Jesus was able to be tempted. When Jesus left His place in heaven to come and fulfill the plan of salvation He had to suffer as a man and in that He had to suffer temptation. The only way this was possible was for Him to lay down His powers in heaven and not take them up again until He returned. (If you're wondering, this is in the scriptures, l do not remember which book at this time but l could find it if it were not so late.) All of the power Jesus had on earth came from the Father that's why He could do the miracles. Jesus was the sacrificial lamb and to be the perfect lamb He had to be able to overcome sin without His power. It was God and man who died on that cross.
Yeah, I understand all that.  But Jesus THE MAN AND THE CHRIST did not exist before he was born.  It’s a simple fucking concept.  People don’t exist before they’re born.  The three parts of God, those aren’t people.  Jesus is people.  Jesus, God made flesh, was the messiah, the Christ, the savior.  God the Son, before Jesus, was not the savior before becoming manifest as the savior.

(February 17, 2017 at 2:39 am)Godschild Wrote: As I stated above God is omnipresent and for Him He has existed all the time in all of time, so yes He has always been the Christ.
The iron used to make my car has existed for at least billions of years, but my car didn’t exist until much later.

(February 17, 2017 at 2:39 am)Godschild Wrote: I have already established that God the Son, the Christ, the Messiah and Jesus are one in the same and have always been because of God's omnipresence.
If the word “established” is defined as “repeatedly asserted my belief as fact with no supporting evidence” then yes, you’ve “established” that.

(February 17, 2017 at 2:39 am)Godschild Wrote: Genesis 3:15 God says to. The serpent (Satan), "l will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring (Jesus)…
Yay!  A Bible quote!  Hey, now quote me the part about what a shitbag you are if you take away or add even just ONE WORD!  You added two there!

(February 17, 2017 at 2:39 am)Godschild Wrote: …He shall bruise your head and you shall bruise.His heel. Here is the  time Jesus the Savior is introduced in scripture, this is long before God established the nation of Israel. The Messiah was prophesied in the OT long before He ever came to earth and the Israelites knew this and the ones who believed it were redeemed. This is why the animal sacrifices had to take place all the time, they were the substitution for Jesus the perfect sacrifice for mankind.
Now you pretend not to even understand the difference between prophecy and fulfillment of prophecy?  You’ll notice that the scripture you quoted did not contain the name “Jesus” until after you added it.  In fact, the OT doesn’t contain one mention of the name.  That’s because Jesus DID NOT EXIST YET!

(February 17, 2017 at 2:39 am)Godschild Wrote: Please don't think l'm trying to treat you like a child it's not my intention, my intention is to be consistent.
Oh, I know what your intention is.  It is not to cede a single point or admit you were wrong or mistaken, ever.  That’s because if you find a flaw in your beliefs you risk the whole house of cards falling down.

(February 17, 2017 at 2:39 am)Godschild Wrote: As l said before, it's not difficult to understand one has to understand who God is and to many leave out the omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence of God when trying to understand Him.
I hear the word title around here all the time and I've explained it like this. A title is something many people can acquire, through birth, work, election or ect. God the Son was never born, never elected to nor had to work for the name Christ, He has for all time been Christ. A title is something many can have but, only One will ever bare the name Christ.
Look at it this way, throughout the OT God has been called by many names after man had observed the attributes of that name, that in no way means God just developed those attributes. God is unchanging He has always been all those things long before the creation. God is the only one who can be called by those names in a perfect sense because He is the only one who is perfect in those attributes. So God the Son, the Christ, the Messiah and Jesus are one and the same and have been forever.
Google “Christ definition”.  Christ was a TITLE.  It was NOT a title more than one person could “aquire”.  Jesus “Christ” WAS BORN.  I know you don’t want it to be a title because for some reason you take exception to it.  Probably you want it to “feel” more super special, not definable by ordinary means or something.  But words have actual meanings which you can look up and Christ is a title.  Argue against that all you fucking want, I’ll just look it the fuck up again and it will tell me, yet again, that it was a TITLE!

I’m sorry, I just don’t care to read any more of that.  Once you’ve demanded that a word whose definition is “the title, also treated as a name, given to Jesus of Nazareth” is NOT a title because titles are meaningless, there is just no real point in talking to you.  Your beliefs are obviously far more important to you than reality.  If we can’t even agree what reality then talking is just pointless.
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RE: Why would a perfect being make an imperfect world? - by Asmodee - February 17, 2017 at 11:16 am

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