(February 21, 2017 at 8:34 pm)Crunchy Wrote:(February 17, 2017 at 12:24 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I'm guessing you missed my point that justification, like any other human emotion, is inherently subjective? Or perhaps you disagree with my point, but don't want to bother with laying out why?That's a strawman as no one disagreed that people ready to die for a cause didn't feel themselves justified. Self justification was not the issue being discussed and it would be crazy for someone to ask "When does it become self justifiable to resort to violence in a protest?" That's not what was asked.
In either event, there's something you're not addressing in this sweeping dismissal of yours.
You can try all you want to find a semantic argument that will save the day but it won't help because the fact that someone is ready to trade their life for change proves absolutely zero about the change they want to make and that includes whether its justifiable or not.
As I've sad already, twice in this thread, justification is like any other human emotion: it is subjective. Adding the modifier "self-" to justified is a distinction without a difference. There is no such thing as objective justification. You may or may not agree that this or that act is justified, but that too is subjective.
To turn the question over: what act can you consider to be objectively justified even when it results in harm to others? Any? None? And would its victims consider it justified?
