RE: Is it true that there is no absolute morality?
February 27, 2017 at 12:25 pm
(This post was last modified: February 27, 2017 at 12:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 27, 2017 at 10:33 am)SteveII Wrote: The meaning of subjective/objective is based on a reference point. If we make up our own purpose/value/meaning, it is subjective. If God created us, then to us, our purpose/value/meaning is objective, while from his reference point, it is subjective.-as his from ours is subjective. Something doesn't become objective "because goddidit" - that's not even remotely what that word means, even if that's -all- you're using it as a stand in for....which is pretty clear at this point.
Quote:I should have phrased the sentence: A theist has no such obligation to recognize what they do not think is opinion.This was supposed to be an improvement? Sure, a theist has no obligation coming specifically from theism..but a commitment to words and cogent thought -would- produce such an obligation regardless of a persons status of belief.
Quote:Except if God did create us, it would not matter what you thought about our purpose. We would have one that, from our reference point, is objective.Wouldn't matter to who? You? Subjective. To god....subjective, again. It would still matter to me, and gods purpose still wouldn't. Let's try something...let's see if it's anything other than the "god" bit that makes things seem objective to you. If I created my own purpose, just as you propose god to have created a purpose..is it, then, objective? Since we can all see, from our reference point, the objective metric and my progress towards it or placement in it's range? If evolution endowed me with a purpose, as you propose god ha endowed us with a purpose...would it be objective?
If -anything- other than god does the things you ascribe to god are you willing to call those things by the same terms you call them...when, purportedly, "goddidit" - or do you reserve objectivity in each and all potential and actual examples as the proprietary domain of a god? If it's the latter, and it very much seems to be, your entire line of thought can be reduced to "if goddidit then it's goddidited". So, probably need some work.
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