(March 1, 2017 at 9:29 am)Khemikal Wrote:(March 1, 2017 at 7:53 am)SteveII Wrote: Inductively, to escape the logical absurdity that physical matter always existed, what we are left with as an explanation is a non-physical, timeless, un-caused, force that was powerful enough to bring matter into existence out of nothing.
The problem that I see constantly here is that most of you are missing the fact that the case for God is a cumulative case. No one thing is meant to be the defining argument. Here is just the list from Natural Theology (as opposed to revealed theology in the Bible or personal experience in people's lives)
a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.
Guess what you get when you put five shitty arguments together? A shitty argument.
Well, I would rather have a well constructed set of arguments that demonstrate that I have an internally consistent worldview, then to cobble together a bunch of "we don't knows", "brute facts", theories impossible to apply scientific methods to, and a huge list of assumptions without the possibility of ultimate answers.
