(March 1, 2017 at 4:02 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(March 1, 2017 at 12:13 pm)alpha male Wrote: By your definition, neither is autonomous. Try again.
You realize the autonomy we're talking about is bodily, right?
I realize that you previously listed certain abilities which are requirements for autonomy:
Quote:Exactly how is the fetus autonomous? Mentally, can it make its own medical decisions? Physically, can it go where it wants, eat as it wishes, and so on?
No, it can do none of these things.
A newborn cannot make its own medical decisions, or go where it wants, or eat as it wishes.
So, again, neither a baby nor a fetus is autonomous. You need to start treating them the same, or find a different line of reasoning from autonomy.