(March 1, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(March 1, 2017 at 10:37 am)SteveII Wrote: No, this is simply a list of the top 5 Natural Theology arguments that I believe conclude that "God is the best explanation for...". While I think the arguments are sound, since atheism and it's attendant Naturalism does not have any explanation, I'm afraid the bar is not set very high as to best.
If you want to talk about a particular argument, start a new thread. I will participate.
Sorry, but inserting "god's magic" into explanations, does not get close to making them 'the best'.
Again, you are explaining a mystery by appealing to a bigger mystery. This does not lead to the best explanation.
Quote:a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
Sounds like you are appealing to a cosmological argument to me.
Sorry, but even if there is no natural explanation, does not mean that your fallacious arguments becomes 'the best explanation' by default.
Quote:c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
What fine tuning?
We exist because the universe is one that is able to produce and sustain life. Not because it was designed for us.
By the way, how many other, non fine tuned universes, have you examined to know what the differences between the 2 look like?
Quote:d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
What do you base this on?
Not sure if you kept up with the latest research, but there are some pretty good natural explanations for consciousness, that don't require magic.
Just what are your credentials in neuroscience and cognitive science, in order for you to dismiss them all?
Quote:e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.
I am one of the few atheists here that believes that objective morality may exist, without the need for a god.
And since when is morality that comes from a god that has the ability to change his mind about what is moral or not, objective?
I don't want to turn this thread into a debate on a particular (or multiple) Natural Theology argument(s). If you want to start a new thread on one of them, I will participate. Or let me know which one and I will start the thread. Either way.