(March 2, 2017 at 8:41 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:Quote:A more philosophical question to what is more likely; is our observable universe a result of chance or purpose?
False dilemma, but I take your point. Our observable universe is more likely to be the result of non-random self selection operating on the raw material of chance.
Why not purpose? It seem an unassailable standard that a Being who could purposefully design a universe would have to be of an order of magnitude more complex than the universe itself. That is to say that such a Being would have to be better ordered than the universe.
Why would such a Being opt to create a universe with so many inherent cock ups? (steady on, vorlon) Parasitic wasps, tooth decay, HIV, floods, earthquakes, cosmic radiation, insurance salesmen...could not an infinitely complex Being have instantiated a universe without these and other horrors? It's no good saying, 'God works in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform' - that's simply 'I don't know' dressed in borrowed robes, it isn't remotely an explanation.
I choose the likelihood of a non-purposeful universe by the simple expedient of looking around me: The universe I see is exactly the one I would expect to see if were the result of what you call 'chance': not perfect, just good enough to get by.
Boru
Again, bravo to you for articulating your point in such eloquent fashion. I feel outgunned and wish I did not have to post a biblically based response outside of the Christian box of threads.
Everything you said is plausible and I would agree with if the universe is the result of chance and randomness.
I would also concur with your point, if the Bible did not tell me that our world was broken, and to expect parasitic wasps, floods and cataclysmic events. In Genesis the world He created was perfect, He stated it was "good". Only later did the world we live in come to its current state, cock ups and all.
