RE: Islam and Women
March 6, 2017 at 3:13 am
(This post was last modified: March 6, 2017 at 3:22 am by paulpablo.)
(March 6, 2017 at 2:42 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:(March 6, 2017 at 2:26 am)paulpablo Wrote: I don't know what you mean by being afraid because you have no voice, I wasn't taking about your voice.
I'm saying that at least in the English translation this verse seems to have nothing to do with an eye for an eye.
It looks like it's about fearing rebellion from your wife, punishments to dish out when in fear of rebellion, and forgiveness when obedience towards the husband is given by the wife.
An "eye for an eye" is a Quranic law. It can be found here:
Sura 5
( 45 ) And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
So, another verse cannot negate this one, or else, the Quran is contradicting itself.
Before fearing the rebellion of my wife, she has to act out with an act that stirs my fear, Sura 5 is there to shut any paranoid action I might take.
I can't beat her except when she beats me first. I cannot fear her except she beats me first, or else I'm paranoid and I just contradicted Sura 5.
1-She beats me
2-I fear her rebellion
3-I beat her back
4-If I forgive her, God will reward me.
But the verse is specifically addressed to the husband.
It's not just saying husband and wife, treat each other equally and remember and eye for a eye.
It's talking specifically about the wife's rebellion and obedience.
It's not necessarily even mentioning the wife hitting the husband, just rebellion and obedience.
If it was talking about the husband and wife attacking each other then there would be no need for this verse because the people concerned could just consult the eye for an eye verse for the relevant info.
The Quran probably is contradicting itself, it's not like it was written by anyone special.
It has one rule that says everything is based on an eye for an eye yet another rule that states punishment can be justified if one person fears another persons rebelion.
That could be seen as a contradiction I suppose but that's not the main intention of what I'm arguing.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
Impersonation is treason.
