(March 6, 2017 at 6:01 pm)paulpablo Wrote:No. You don't cut the Quran into pieces, and take each seperatly.Quote:he case was always complicated; a perfect book has to discuss everything; even a situation like this where the wife rebels with no reason but inflicting damage to the husband.
Muslims can't even read the "eye for an eye" verse correctly. ISIS for example, blow you up for Trump's sins. You don't even have to look American.
So such a verse must be revealed. Or else I would just ask God:why is your book missing stuff?
It's for the husband. It reminds women that they are -just like men-: Humans.
Nope. It's reminding women that men have authority over them and telling men how to deal with rebelion against that authority and how to reward obedience.
The book is 604 pages. To rule with it, you use the whole 604 pages.
In this case, page 115 says an eye for an eye.
page 84 allows men to beat their wives.
To practice page 84 without page 115, is ignorance with the laws of the book.
Men don't have authority over women. Sexist Sunnies and Shiites said that, but to make sure yourself, translate the verse yourself.
Quote:Says it right there in the very verse that we're talking about.
Your problem is that you're starting your observations of the quran with the attitude of "Ok this book is definitely made by God so let's try and figure it all out. Remember it has to be perfect."
Rather than "Ok let's check out this old crusty book, see if it's perfect and written by God."
Of course it's not perfect. It gives out the vaguest rules. Doesn't even say if eye for an eye is a literal rule. If it's a literal rule then you only need to worry about this rule if you take someone's eye out. This rule is about a wife's rebelion, whatever rebelion is, and how punishments can be dished out on the basis that the husband fea
قوامون does not mean have authority.
Jesster
Quote:You're just trying to duck and weave now. Classic cherry picking.
Where !
I don't cherry pick
Quote:Why are you suddenly changing your tune now? Did you find yourself in a corner?
Also; where !