(March 8, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Nonpareil Wrote:(March 8, 2017 at 12:39 pm)PETE_ROSE Wrote: Typical response. Obviously well thought out and articulated. I must re-evaluate my position at once.
Whilst I am on the cusp of renouncing theism and prepare to embrace the agnostic jihad that is surely to follow, please provide your empirical evidence and irrefutable proofs as to how you know beyond all doubt that a designer does not exist?
"That's just crap" echoes the weak Christian response of because the Bible tells me so.
A question, then.
Since you believe that the universe is designed, you must have some means of detecting design. So what do you think is necessarily different between a universe that is designed and a universe that is not, and why?
Very good question! Philosophically speaking randomness, chance, and throwing things together without a purpose would result in chaos and a pile of stuff. I'm thinking about my youngest son's LEGO collection. If I dumped all of the sets on the floor it would resemble a large pile of plastic pieces.
Contrary, each individual structure (there are thousands of LEGO shapes) can be fitted together to make fire trucks and Star Wars apparatus.
The universe, its basic building blocks, the extreme diversity of life, and its building blocks, appear to have complicated structures designed into them at their basic levels. I believe this argument is partly known as irreducible complexity.
Why do I feel this way you ask? Things do not appear random and chaotic. The universe and nature appear ordered and purposefully driven. So says me.
It may very well be the universe is eternal and life was seeded by aliens from Tatooine. It may be we just don't know. Intellectual honesty, at the minimum, allows for these options as well as a creator god and/or intelligent design.
