RE: Have you read the good book?
March 10, 2017 at 1:04 pm
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2017 at 1:21 pm by Drich.)
(March 10, 2017 at 12:47 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(March 10, 2017 at 11:58 am)Drich Wrote: How would you ever know if God never shows up IF you don't know who God is.
No two believers ideas of god seem the same.
That is because God is infinite, and we are finite. So we being finite grab a hold and talk about the tiny little piece of the finite we can understand.
The ultimate measure of what is and is not God can only be found in the bible.
(March 10, 2017 at 12:55 pm)vorlon13 Wrote:(March 10, 2017 at 12:47 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: No two believers ideas of god seem the same.
If a presumptive deity appeared and started spouting unadulterated Evangelical Lutheran Church in America dogma I'm sure despite any supernatural affectations that entity displayed, the Presbyterians, Baptists, Catholics, Methodists and Baneemyites would all agree that deity was a manifestation of Satan.
But here's the thing... Who do we worship? The God of the baptist the God of the lutherns The God of_______???
Ultimately all religious expressions are wrong to one degree or another, and like wise all Jesus Christ centered religions are right to one degree or another.. And to take it a step further the bible points out there will be a very large 'non Christian' population found in Heaven also.
This means that Christianity/Salvation are not about the title we give ourselves, its not about the pews we sit in, and it not about 'dogma' or 'doctrine'. It is about the judgement Christ makes. If Christ is the decider of who has and does not have righteousness through atonement, then He can and will decide interdependently of dogma and doctrine who is worthy of salvation and who is not. This is what so terrible upset the Pharisees. Christ was userpting the role of religion. He dare place His authority of that of the 'church.'
The church before Christ has no authority, the church's role on an eternal time frame is that of wife/head of the house hold. The church's role is not to create dogma and doctrine but to carry out the wish and will of Christ. If a manifestation of the church believes that they have authority beyond that of a servant to God, that their tradition or doctrinal beliefs supersede the authority of Christ or what Christ has said.. Then I would say most of those members of that church will be surprised after their judgement is over.
In short there is a good reason no one denominations beliefs are spelled out in the bible. that they for the most part have to cherry pick to create their core doctrines.. That's because despite what many believe we were meant to live in freedom. So much freedom we have the right to bind ourselves with church doctrine and dogma is this is all we understand.
So yes I can see Jesus talking to the lutherns, but I can also see Him speaking to the baptists, catholics and everyone else (As he does in the first coule of chapters of revelation) telling each of them where they lack, and how to tighten up or be prepared to find themselves outside of christ's judgement

