RE: Theists: What is the most compelling argument you have heard for Atheism?
March 20, 2017 at 9:16 pm
(March 20, 2017 at 8:25 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(March 20, 2017 at 6:21 pm)Whateverist Wrote: To ask that we accept on hearsay the claim that something seemingly impossible has happened asks us to believe what is unimaginable. I decline. The extraordinary requires more than the ordinary and it just isn't very difficult to determine what is extraordinary. If it involves something never before documented and a process not understood, it's extraordinary and requires special vetting. But for yourself of course you may be as tight or loose as suits you.
I can accept the idea that people require different degrees of proof. In my own case, no single item is conclusive or even particularly persuasive. It is the cumulative case, that I feel warrants belief. At the same time, it puts the lie to the idea that "no" evidence has been provided; but rather, just not enough to suit people who are willing to raise the bar if the conclusion doesn't match their preconceptions about how the world should work.
A bunch of bad evidence =/= persuasive evidence.
And you are correct, the statement that there is "no evidence" is false. Only bad or insufficient evidence.
It is not that we are raising the bar. It is that you are lowering yours. You would not accept the same level of evidence for other religions than yours.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.