RE: I would believe in God if...
March 20, 2017 at 10:10 pm
(This post was last modified: March 20, 2017 at 10:13 pm by SteveII.)
(March 2, 2017 at 2:44 am)Won2blv Wrote: Just curious if some of you have any genuine thoughts on this. Other than, "seeing evidence," what are some things that would make you believe in God.
For me, I would be believe in God if I could logically understand why he created a billions of year old Universe with stars, galaxies, blackholes, planets, etc. and all life while seemingly allowing it to look like it all could have happened without a conscious creator. [1]
I ask this question, because for me, I still want to believe in a God, even though I don't. It just baffles me to think that everything just goes back to some form of cosmic luck. So that is why I ask the question, not based on what a religion will tell you about god, but what you'd like god to explain, to you, before you'd believe.
If you do decide to answer, lets just assume that god is any conscious deity. It would not be necessarily, any god that we know of, but rather just a god that you could imagine, knowing what you know. For example, if you're thinking that you'd like God to explain how he could murder millions of humans, including babies and children, in a global deluge, remember that we're not parsing over religious bullshit. We're atheists, we know that if a god exists, he wouldn't do anything illogical. So knowing that, we can openly talk about god in a more open way than any religious zealot ever could, because we truly have the ability to think for ourselves what a logical god figure would be like.
1. But does it look that way?
(March 19, 2017 at 12:27 am)ma5t3r0fpupp3t5 Wrote: Yes, if it is actual, demonstrable and can be shown on an objective basis to be evidence for God. The number of times a theist has been to do this successfully is zero.
The main problem is not that I doubt that theists are actually having their purported "personal experiences". I will grant this quickly. What I will not grant is that these experiences are evidence for God. We can demonstrate that such experiences are delusional at best.
No you can't unless you have found a way to disprove God. Unless you do, it is only your opinion that "such experience are delusional at best".
