(March 21, 2017 at 9:09 am)Little Rik Wrote: But let us talk about facts first.
It is a fact that human are not only made of flesh.
The body-brain is a vehicle that the consciousness need and use to carry the task of progressing.
So if the body serve the master consciousness there can not be any progress in the physical-material arena.
You mean an immaterial soul? If it is a fact, show me the evidence.
Quote:All this follow a logic line build on facts.
Facts are here and there to establish that all this is logic.
I wouldn't say that logic is whatever your personal unsupported beliefs are.
Quote:If instead you guys keep on believing that the consciousness is a product of the brain and with the physical death is all over then you will never be able to sort out how the whole system works and
will keep on floating in the ocean of dogmas where logic is totally absent.
What really appalls me here is not that you believe in an immaterial separate consciousness, but your attitude towards the issue. Part of science and critical thinking includes being open minded towards the other possibilities and corresponding with the empirical evidence derived. From what I see here, you are lacking that.
A great question is, if the evidence corresponded with the view that consciousness was the result of neuro patterns in the brain, would you accept it?
Quote:then you will never be able to sort out how the whole system works
Very ironic. Who is the one saying that science will never work here and attributes something we misunderstand to magic like what has been done throughout human prehistory and history?
Hail Satan!

