(March 23, 2017 at 3:49 pm)TheAtheologian Wrote:(March 23, 2017 at 8:25 am)Little Rik Wrote: It is all about guessing.
Guessing, guessing and more guessing nothing that produce real evidence.
Obviously the physical science has no way to understand what is not physical such as the abstract consciousness.
Did anybody ever explain to you what is the difference between something physical and something abstract?
Well if not now is the time for you to find out.
Nope, it is about hypothesis, testing, and conclusion to accurately come up with facts and theories. Science has proven itself again and again with its working technology, modern medicine that increases life expectancy, and wonderful discoveries. Your conception of science is flawed and I thought you provided NDEs as scientific evidence, but I guess not since every other conclusion besides your wishful thinking is considered "just guessing".
Quote:If you agree then why you bring those links that only talk about guessing and not facts?
Because they are evidence, not unsupported religious beliefs. I have yet to here any evidence from you that a soul exists, just NDEs and you dismissed the supported conclusions as just guesses. I agree facts are facts, and the facts are likely that consciousness is not separate from the brain.
Quote:The old saying...........Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's........
Get it Atheo?
I certainly follow what physical science bring as evidence but consciousness is not in the field of physical science that is why it can not understand what is outside her limitations.
You refuse to accept the neuroscience behind consciousness and just assume that it is the immaterial breath of God.
Quote:That is interesting Atheo.
Consciousness is 100% outside the law of physic yet is something real.
Which means you believe that supernatural religious explanations apply to consciousness just like the ancients thought about volcanoes, wind, and other natural phenomena. Its hardly any different here.
Quote:It seems that the time goes by but some people never wake up to the reality.
You are the one claiming to use "logic" here, but I don't see you applying it. Rather, you are demonstrating religious dogma.
Quote:The thing Atheo is that the consciousness IS NOT a product of the brain that is why biology is unable to explain it.
Again, how do you know?
There are explanations, but not a scientifically conclusive agreed upon mechanism of consciousness as of now. However, not conclusively knowing doesn't give a warranted supernatural of the gaps.
Look Atheo the time that all will become 100% clear is not very far now.
It all work like an avalanche.
It tool a million of years for yesterday human to become today humans so to speak.
Almost nothing was done until 15.000 years ago so the avalanche was hardly moving.
Slowly slowly humans started to use more and more consciousness and today the avalanche of progress is moving very fast.
Religious, political, economics and atheists dogmas are getting out the way very very fast.
The communism has collapsed.
Capitalism is on the way to total collapse.
Religions can hardly find any new blood.
Very soon also atheism will be a laughing stock.
Humanity can not wait any longer for freedom from dogmas.
But don't you worry Atheo.
LR will be there the day that will be clear to everybody that God is a reality and LR will pat on your back
as a sign of support.
After all you are not a bad guy.
Oh by the way considering that you just mention neuroscience did you know that a neurosurgeon by the name of Eben Alexander did have an NDE and now cast apart all his previous non beliefs in God
One last thing Atheo.
Every time you guys mention that consciousness can be understood by science you remind me when I try to hold a eel in my hands.
It was so slimy and slippery that I could not hold it.
Well the story about science and consciousness is very similar.
Science can not understand consciousness.
Consciousness can not be seen nor touch nor smell yet some fool folks think that it can be understood by science.
Crazy, absolutely crazy.