RE: Theists: What is the most compelling argument you have heard for Atheism?
March 24, 2017 at 1:20 pm
(March 24, 2017 at 12:38 pm)Brian37 Wrote: There are no such things as super natural beings with super powers. The only place your god exists is in your head, just as made up as Apollo and Thor. The only difference between calling something a religion and calling it mythology, is that one is dead and the other is currently still popular. [3]
(March 24, 2017 at 10:17 am)SteveII Wrote: I am not interested in arguing about other religions. I asked specifically about Christianity.
1. If you are talking about Christianity, you are painting with too broad a brush to make a point. Christianity does not attack science. Science has nothing to say about whether Christianity is true or not. If you think it does, you are wrong somewhere in your understand or logic.
2. Untestable, unfalsifiable theories.
3. You couldn't possibly know that and your opinion doesn't much matter to me.
Nope, you are not going to lie and try to confuse "opinion" with fact. YOU have a position, you have no evidence for your position. If you had provable facts and not an unfounded position you wouldn't have to resort to falsely trying to bring the word "opinion" into this.
If you had facts there would be no need to use the word "opinion". But again, you defend the bible and others defend the Koran and others Buddha, and others the Vedas and they all have the same amount of facts to back them up. If any religion were a provable fact in a scientific reality we would have seen evidence of it 4 billion and 13.8 billion years ago. But funny that it only came around when humans popped on the scene and only started writing them down 10,000 years ago. Funny how we don't see cockroaches or trees invent religion and those are species far older than humans.
You are right that something is confused. You don't have proof of your statement above (bolded so you can't miss it). So, it is your opinion. It is as simple as that.
A quick reminder of definitions:
Evidence refers to pieces of information or facts that help us establish the truth of something. Proof is a conclusion about the truth of something after analyzing the evidence. Evidence is suggestive of a conclusion. Proof is concrete and conclusive. Proof can have different thresholds. Anywhere from more likely than not (preponderance of the evidence), to beyond a reasonable doubt, to absolute. These are all arrived at by considering evidence.
So, to say that I have no evidence is simply wrong. What you mean is that in your opinion, it is not proof. That's fine, I don't care what your opinion is.
The evidence that I believe that supports my belief (another opinion) is below:
1. Person of Jesus is compelling.
2. The NT describes actual events including the miracles, life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
3. God works in people's lives today--changing people on the inside as well as the occurrence of miracles.
4. The natural theology arguments:
a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.
Since you cannot 'prove' that any of these are falsely held beliefs, my conclusion (opinion) that God exists is rationale. The amount of evidence meets my personal threshold for proof that God exists.
