RE: Theists: What is the most compelling argument you have heard for Atheism?
March 30, 2017 at 10:11 am
(March 30, 2017 at 9:51 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(March 30, 2017 at 8:30 am)Brian37 Wrote: Nope sorry, it is still a gap argument.
See if you can spot the pattern.
"Disagreement with the inference does not make it a gaps argument=Therefore God exists"
"Disagreement with the inference does not make it a gaps argument=Therefore Allah exists"
"Disagreement with the inference does not make it a gaps argument=Therefore Yahweh exists"
"Disagreement with the inference does not make it a gaps argument=Therefore Hindu God Brahma exists"
"Disagreement with the inference does not make it a gaps argument=Therefore hurricanes prove Poseidon's existence"
"Disagreement with the inference does not make it a gaps argument=Therefore lightening existing makes Thor real".
Your problem is you ignore people with other god of the gaps guesses believe both in the past and present of all religions as passionately as you do about yours. You are still stuck with the same problem they do, "which one".
It is still a naked assertion and a presumption just like all the rest. You like what you believe and that is where you lose all objectivity. You are not going where the evidence leads, you are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole after the fact to make science suit your pet belief. Neutral science does not favor one pet deity claim over others. It is why a plane will fly both in Iran and in America. It is why a flu vaccine will work in Japan and China and Mexico.
You like every other religion are all stuck in the same boat, get in line, take a number.
I think the problem is, that you are operating on a false assumption about what it is I believe about the argument. If you are saying, that the argument from fine tuning doesn't point to a specific God or gods. I agree! It doesn't point to anything other than a cause, that is capable of making choices, and possibly a sufficiency to actualize those choices.
I find your "spot the pattern" line, that you seem to be so fond of lately to be quite funny, because it only shows that you don't understand what is being said or why. Perhaps you should either ask questions, or address the reasoning, rather than making yourself look ignorant.
Glad you agree that "fine tuning" does not prove a particular specific god claim. GREAT, you are almost there.
Now, what I am about to ask you, you need to ask yourself and be intellectually brave. I am not about to ask you what you believe.
I am asking you to ask yourself now, before you answer me, take your time, be willing to look in the mirror.
Ask yourself WHY you feel the need for a god, WHY you feel the need for a forever? What do you think would suddenly change if you figured out there was no god and we are finite and there is no forever? Do you think you would instantly go up in flames? If you don't think Allah or Pele would punish you what would make you think any god, much less yours, is really there to threaten or bribe you?
Before you answer, the question is not WHAT, but WHY you feel the need to believe? Think about it before you respond. Why are you not concerned with all the other god/deity claims you rightfully reject? Why don't you feel threatened by their god/s? Why would life after you die feel any different than it did 5 million years ago before you were born?
Again, WHY, is the issue, not WHAT but WHY do you feel it would be so horrible to know this is it?