RE: Theists: What is the most compelling argument you have heard for Atheism?
March 30, 2017 at 10:32 am
(March 30, 2017 at 10:14 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(March 30, 2017 at 9:57 am)SteveII Wrote: First, you have obviously not read back through the posts for the past 9 pages.
Yes, the initial constants could have been different. There is nothing that makes them the way they are. That is not debated. Therefore, the universe is NOT the way it is out of necessity.
I think this also brings up an interesting question from a teleological perspective. Are the laws of physics emergent (properties of matter itself) or are they governed by something greater and existing before the matter of the universe was formed? To put it another way; does the material conform to the laws of physics, or is physics based on the material?
The problem with an all powerful God is that if infinite regress. If God is already infinitely complex, then he would need his own creator even more complex, and that creator would need one more complex. Keep that in mind because you already agreed with me that "fine tuning" does not point to one god claim over another. If you accept that Allah or Bramha do not exist and do not fill in the gap as a starting point, why would yours be immune to the same problem?
If you want to claim that God didn't need a prime mover, why would the universe itself need one? Seems less of a problem without a God than it would be with one.
The universe does not need a cognition to start it anymore than Poseidon is needed to explain the start of a hurricane.
