RE: There is no doubt a god, the question is what is it?
April 4, 2017 at 10:14 pm
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2017 at 10:17 pm by Mystic.)
(April 4, 2017 at 9:41 pm)Flavius Wrote:(April 4, 2017 at 9:26 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The argument I will summarize:
Worship means what is Valued Most.
We know Worship ought to be Sacred.
Without God, Worship is not sacred.
A brief proof of 2nd premise:
Without God, we ourselves become the central focus of value, and naturally feel ashamed of what woshiping ourselves.
We should not feel ashamed of what we value most.
We should feel ashamed of worshiping ourselves and petty things like wealth, prestige, sex, etc....
Therefore we know worship out to be sacred.
The conclusion we know God exists naturally follows.
But aside from that, even if you reject that, was has been proven right from the start, there is no such thing as Atheism by definition.
Then you worship intelligence, I hope the intelligence you worship is not Dawkin's level, that would be pretty petty.
He doesn't 'worship' intelligence. Worshipping implies putting dedication towards a specific deity or has to be used in a religious context. He VALUES intelligence, which, by definition, is a important, useful and/or worthy characteristic one possess.
Yet since his value of things are somewhat near on par with each other, and they are at a near level, they are all idols.
What is valued most (or things valued very near that) are all gods/idols.
That is how Bible and Quran talk. And they talk accurately.
So to say religion is defined with respect to relationship and devotion to god(s) and to say god(s) are only defined in the context of religion is circular reasoning. You can't do that and people who done that for example the people who coined the word "Atheism" fell into that trap of circular reasoning.
So Atheism defined is use of circular reasoning.....while breaking down the word and it's origin in simplicity shows it's impossible to be an Atheist.
(April 4, 2017 at 10:08 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: What is "god"?
Doubtful.
Therefore there's a doubt.
You value something. Whatever is the highest degree of value you have is worship.
You either worship yourself or you don't.
If you don't, you should value something higher than you at much higher reverence and value.
The fact you guys can't admit this word shows how ashamed people at admitting it which proves the shame thing I said and that we only accept and are honored of worshiping the sacred.
