(April 8, 2017 at 9:41 am)Little Rik Wrote:(April 7, 2017 at 11:33 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: You get cornered and you start making up bullshit like that there's a difference between a "real NDE" and a hallucination. It's just pathetic evasion on your part. You can't tell the difference between NDEs that occur when the patient is flatlined and when they are not, so parsimony and the experiences say that they're undergoing the same process. But squirm away, little man, make your arbitrary distinctions that don't exist if it will keep you from acknowledging the truth.
FOOL.
You presume that an NDE can happen when a patient is not having a flatlined ECG.
Wrong presumption Yog.
In that case you have an hallucination not a real NDE because the consciousness hasn't separated from the body-brain yet.
Only when you get a fletlined ECG you can have an NDE experience.
This yog show how ignorant you are on the issue.
The Near-Death Experience (NDE) may be defined as "A lucid experience associated with perceived consciousness apart from the body occurring at the time of actual or threatened imminent death."
~ Dr. Jeffrey Long, founder of NDERF
A near-death experience, or NDE, is a profound psychological event that may occur to a person close to death or who is not near death but in a situation of physical or emotional crisis. Being in a life-threatening situation does not, by itself, constitute a near-death experience. It is the pattern of perceptions, creating a recognizable overall event, that has been called “near-death experience.”
~ International Association Of Near Death Studies
Making up your own definitions when you get cornered again. It's pathetic.