(April 9, 2017 at 1:34 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Do you wish to discuss Socrates and Plato? Or are you going to just strawman and oversimplify their arguments?
I just did, you not liking my answer is your baggage.
Plato fucked up with the idea of "essence" it taught humans to chase a perfect society, a perfect world, that bled into religion and politics, NOT JUST YOUR RELIGION but other religions and not just religion, but politics and economic views. It taught humans to stupidly chase utopias.
An apology is not an argument from neutrality, it is an argument from personal bias.
There is no such thing as a utopia. Not for you, not for Christians, not for Jews, not for Buddhists not even for communists or socialists.
Plato and Socrates DO NOT POINT to the Koran or Torah or Talmud or Bible or Buddha or the Vedas. Not my baggage someone stupidly convinced you they do. Not my baggage you fell for that crap.
Plato and Socrates had some nice stories but Plato was NOT right about everything he guessed at.
Don't know ho much more I can dumb down my answer for you.