(April 11, 2017 at 9:41 am)Cyberman Wrote:(April 8, 2017 at 6:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: ^there is no pointing in telling everyone there are false religions. Everyone understands that even as children.
And yet every theist insists theirs is the only true religion. How can anyone know one from the other, or that there even is a true religion (let alone that there must be one)?
This is a good question. A real key one. One that not enough Theists ask themselves. I can assure you I have thought and reflected on this issue. I also believe I have clear proofs regarding my creed.
The problem is over here if I begin to prove why my specific creed is best, people will just say, you haven't proven God yet. I can answer this question, but the thread cannot be all be replied to by "prove God or we don't care what you can prove with assuming God exists as a given premise".
Quote:That's because atheists have no case to make. It's the burden of theists to make their case, to which atheism is the response. You're tilting at windmills. C'mon MK, you know this stuff.
Atheists are claiming they are not blameworthy or at fault for not believing in God and knowing he exists. Most Theists don't buy that. They believe you ought to know.
On this site I've seen many (not all but many) Atheists deny:
1. Perpetual identity (we are the same person despite how much we have grown and changed, as we were when born to now).
2. Objective goodness.
3. Inherent Value to beings.
4. Our actions forming a part of us in the true measure.
5. Morality not having the possibility of being arbitrary.
6. Justice as in the definition of everything being given it's due and it's potential existing.
7. There is an object value measurement to who we are.
Doubt is not a bad tool if helps you seek proofs and reason.
I'm not convinced Atheists haven't taken doubt too far and not used it correctly.
You in forgetting what you are linked to, have not only forgotten the source where you origin from and is closest to you than anything else, but by doing so have forgotten who you are.
And that is the essential to ask. I've seen Atheists here tell me they believe they have an objective reality to say they believe the self is an illusion and is not an objective reality.
I've seen people praise old Philosopher arguments of why morality or justice or value cannot be created, but then go on to talk about how it's all subjective.
There is no consistency with anyone here. It's flopping to which side is suited whenever it calls.
Calm the storm of doubt, and see what you know for certain.
I know I am doing a bad job, I wish I was more clear and coherent. I am trying to learn to make things more clear.
I think I am gaining common ground in understanding in the value and its signs thread, we'll see where it leads!
