Trans people & sports

[Catholic_Lady]

Holy crap, I come back from a week off of Atheist forums and this is still going on.

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@Shell

Referencing old threads, scientific consensus, regulatory explanation, the ambiguity of this supposed advantage, and it's inability to secure a win even when present should.......however.

Continuing on Mathilda's example- It goes beyond testosterone levels to other hormones linked to performance.  Bone density loss, muscle loss, muscle fatigue.  In performance based stats (strength, speed, endurance) all are comparable or -lower- in MTF trans than in cis gendered women.  The weight of evidence and example is overwhelming.  There is no biological advantage.  None.  Whatever advantage there may be to being -male- is moot when the issue is post transition mtf, because everything that arguably gives males any advantage is negatively effected by transitioning.

Then in your mind the success that trans-women have had in sports, for example shattering the weightlifting record, is a massive coincidence? Or the fact that it never goes the other way. This is a very small percentage of women. .3% identify as transgendered and only a small percentage of those have fully transitioned to the point that they would be allowed to compete according the rules.

Welcome back to the train wreck. Have some whiskey.

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More like a storm in a teacup, since it's not exactly a coincidence (massive or otherwise) that a weightlifter holds a weightlifting record.  When you refer to success that individuals have had as though this were success of mtf trans you're ignoring the vast majority, of that small minority, who have competed and not had any such success, or simply do not and could not compete at -any- level.  In essence, you're just saying:

"But, look, that one won something!", yes, we know, and?

What advantage of ftm trans over cis gendered females, in your opinion, accounts for that weightlifting record?   What never goes the other way, why does it matter...and what's the relevance of whatever small percentage those qualifying individuals may be?

No, it's not a coincidence that a weightlifter holds a weightlifting record, but that's not what people were upset about. It's the fact that she completely smashed the record. She lifted 41 pounds more than the person who came in 2nd place.

FYI, she is a MTF, not a FTM, competing against cisgender females. She also competed in weightlifting as a man. I'd say the advantage she has is the fact that she trained for weightlifting as a man, and clearly despite people's continued insistence that the transitioning process effectively negates any bone / muscle advantage, she still has some advantage, because she's lifting 41 pounds more than her nearest competitor.

It's the shape of the body, too. Having a larger upper body (broader shoulders, wider rib cage, bigger lungs) in proportion to the rest of the body, is more ideal for many physical activities.