(April 16, 2017 at 7:46 am)Brian37 Wrote:(April 16, 2017 at 7:09 am)Little Rik Wrote: Cut the crap Simon.
Let us instead see this from wiki.
There is no universal agreement as to the exact scope and subject matter of logic (see § Rival conceptions, below), but it has traditionally included the classification of arguments, the systematic exposition of the 'logical form' common to all valid arguments, the study of inference, including fallacies, and the study of semantics, including paradoxes. Historically, logic has been studied in philosophy (since ancient times) and mathematics (since the mid-1800s), and recently logic has been studied in computer science, linguistics, psychology, and other fields.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
It say.......VALID ARGUMENTS.....and other things as well.
My arguments are more than valid.
While there is no evidence that the consciousness or the I ever die there is a lot of evidence that the consciousness survive and is more free than when was stuck inside a body as also proven by thousand of NDEs experiences so I do have a valid argument and that follow a logic process.
You are making an hell of a confusion Brian.
Atoms are not an abstract entities like the consciousness.
Atoms can not build the consciousness.
Nobody build the consciousness.
The consciousness is already there and get more or less awareness according to the individual actions or not actions.
When the body die and it goes to the dogs so to speak there is a separation between this body and the consciousness.
Nothing really to do with atoms.![]()
If science merely says atoms make up everything then ask any scientist to give evidence that atoms make up the consciousness.
I can wait Brian but not for ever.![]()
I will wait until the next Christmas after that you lose the bet.
What the hell are you smoking? ATOMS make up everything. You are stupidly thinking "consciousness" having no mass means POOF a magic sky daddy. The speed of a car can be measured and speed isn't a physical thing, but the observation of a physical thing in motion.
Atoms build up to the molecular level, which build up cells then organs, which leads to the brain IN MOTION. NO motion, no fuel no consciousness. Blow up your car engine into unusable pieces and see if you can speed in it.
And none of your argument in any case points to your pet gap deity anymore than someone else can inscert their pet sky hero.
All your ideas Brian are build on guessing not on evidence.

When you.......Blow up your car engine into unusable pieces........you still survive even if when your body-brain die.
The same goes for the consciousness when the body-brain die.
I guess you never thought about that Brian, did you?

You show me evidence that the I or consciousness die when the body-brain die or that the atoms make the consciousness and I will cover you with 24 carat gold.
