(April 16, 2017 at 11:09 am)Lucanus Wrote:(April 16, 2017 at 8:07 am)Little Rik Wrote: Easy explained Luc.
When you drive your car and you get involved in an accident you car get smashed and most of the time you too get injured.
The consciousness being an abstract entity can not really get damaged but because is stuck inside the
pineal gland and the brain when the brain get damaged the consciousness that rely on the brain as his source of energy can not work properly that is why .............can result in severely altered states of consciousness........ as you say.
As far as the person is alive the consciousness is stuck inside this body-brain but as soon as the body-brain die the consciousness separate.
Even if the body was smashed under a roller machine the consciousness will not be touched.
She is immortal.
This is completely testable. Go on and test it! Get a Ph.D. in neuroscience, go squish some mouse's pineal gland and then see what happens. Most likely, they'll just lose the ability to sleep.
People have already studied the pineal gland to death. It's only function is the secretion of melatonin, which regulates the sleep-wake cycle. Get over it.
Wrong again Luc.
There are people that look for the hidden treasure and they never found it.
That doesn't mean that is not there.
If so far science has only found that the pineal gland secrete melatonin and nothing else then too bad for them.
On the other hand there are people that found what the physical science hasn't discovered yet.
These people however do not rely on physical science.
They rely on intuitional science.

Quote:Also, how is consciousness "stuck" inside the body? If it is stuck, then it means that it has some interactions with the physical structures of the brain. How would you then study these interactions? If what you said was true, then we would be able to -indirectly- study consciousness with scientific means!
Wrong again Luc.
Who told you that if the consciousness is stuck inside the brain as I said the only way to find out is through the scientific means (your physical science)?
Is your view so restricted that must be the only way to find out?
(April 16, 2017 at 8:07 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) Energy and consciousness are the two sides of the same sheet.
One can not exist without the other.
Even science say that energy can not be destroyed so if energy can not be destroyed also consciousness
can not be destroyed.
2) NDEs are the evidence that consciousness never die so it is clear that consciousness once the body die
will be independent from the body.
Quote:1) To our current scientific understanding, that is simply false. Consciousness does not seem to be "energy" as you put it.
It is obvious that the current scientific understanding need a good kick in the backside.
As far as this science thinks that an abstract entity as the consciousness can be studied only through
a physical approach then they never find anything.
Quote:All the processes that make consciousness possible require energy in the form of chemical gradients and ATP, and they also require that this energy is released in a particular pattern. This, in turn, requires an actual physical scaffold (the Central Nervous System) to unfold. Without this scaffold, all these processes simply cannot go forward, and consciousness ceases to exist.
That is a load o'crap Luc.
NDEs experiences have already found that the consciousness exist even better once it separate from the body-mind.
Quote:2) No they aren't. Because of the fact that they are -Near- Death Experiences. The body is evidently still alive during those moments, as proven by the fact that people actually recover from those and actually live to tell the tale. At most, what NDEs do is show what people experience in the moments just before death. But they definitely do NOT show what happens after.
That is an other load of garbage Luc.
The fact that the .........body recover ......as you say doesn't mean that the body-brain never die.
Most science can not understand these phenomena yet.
These non believers can not see God so if God doesn't exist according to them then all is related to physical science and because this physical science can not see God and how the system works then
these people who had an NDE experience never really died.
How stupid.
