RE: Trans people & sports
April 17, 2017 at 1:05 pm
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2017 at 1:15 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 17, 2017 at 12:53 pm)Shell B Wrote: You didn't provide the sources. Someone else did.That should probably be a pro, not a con. They're not my handpicked sources. In fact, they're the handpicked sources of my positions direct opposition. That's as sympathetic as it gets to the other guy.
Quote:They equally supported both claims. If you have something better, please provide it. Something that could show that the demonstrated advantages a male obviously has over a female in competitive sports are completely negated by transitioning.Those studies did...actually, show that? They simply couldn't rule out that there may be unknown advantages either below the threshold of detection..or, as the study borrows - the whole is not just the sum of the parts. There may be a subtle but effective cumulative advantage. That's a commitment to integrity, granted..but it's not -support- for "the other side". "The other side" is wrong about those advantages even if they -do- exist. That much was lain out plainly in those sources.
Quote:Right, I do not have a position to debate, unless you consider the ultimate fair treatment of all athletes, obviously including trans, a position. If that is already happening with these rules, great. As it is right now, I believe the opinion of people within these sports who experience it first hand warrants discussions like this. If they're wrong, awesome. That means we have perfected transitioning. If not, it can't hurt to figure out what remains and why.OFC I don't think that your an icky phobe. I already said, I think that you're hung on being on the fence for no good reason. That's all. The reason you've given isn't something that I can rationally overcome with any additional examples studies, or debate. It would just be more of the same "nope, not here, but maybe somewhere" stuff. It's not good enough the first time, when somebody who really wants there to be an issue presents it, and it won;t be good enough the 100th time either.
I think you know me well enough to know that I do not come from a position of anything phobia or anything -ism. I just find myself not quite understanding why either side feels so confident that we know all there is to know or that the subject has been decided.
I can understand that. I just don't agree.
In elaboration, in defense of the IOC's ruling, btw...not -exactly related to this thread-. The way they're heading, their regs are moving toward a basis in hormone levels, anatomy..testable biological metrics which might, in absolute fairness, match some men up to women, and some women to men..This, arguably, would be a better way to ensure that competitors are all peers on a level field than whether or not someone happens to be swinging Richard.
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