RE: Trans people & sports
April 19, 2017 at 12:13 pm
(This post was last modified: April 19, 2017 at 12:21 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 19, 2017 at 11:10 am)Shell B Wrote: So, your position is that it's just a coincidence that ftm trans aren't setting the same kind of records?
No, and I'm not sure why you'd think so from anything I posted, nor does that qualify as a response to the question I posed - and I've already commented on this question..in this thread, with very little to add.
In any case, in my opinion, the lack of trans athletes crushing their respective sports isn't surprising at all - just not for the reasons proposed..and the "coincidence" is more manufactured than actual. Luarel Hubbard beat shitty competition. No one there even approached the record. Fallon Fox, in White's own estimation, isn't good enough for the ufc..she beats fighters with losing records. There just aren't a whole lot of trans, fewer that compete at a professional level in some high profile sport, and fewer women overall who compete in professional sports.
If a talented cis female weightlifter underwent therapy you would -expect- that weightlifter to perform well in his new, male division..particularly if that weightlifter was already performing at a comparable level to that division -before- such therapy. He would be allowed, for starters, higher relative testosterone levels. Effectively..the wightlifter in question is already their equal...and that's at her pre-doped (or at least doped under threshold), pre op/therapy performance levels. Why -wouldn't- she crush the competition, if the same causes are pointed to as a reason that an mtf trans might do so in their division? That weighlifter exists, and does hold the current record. Similarly, the UFC did pick up the woman who beat fox in her league..and if fox, for the purposes of mma..should fight men...then that girl ko'd a male in her own league - without- therapy or any operation.
(April 19, 2017 at 11:28 am)paulpablo Wrote: The only additional stats I can find on Falon Fox are another win at amateur level. I have no idea where you'd find stats that contradicted the stats I provided to show they're unreliable or bad. Although I haven't had much time to look into it.
She has three wins at the amatuer level, two associated with a different organization, and used for promotional purposes..just like her current record, which doesn't reflect either of those other records.
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