RE: Is it really worth it for Republicans
April 20, 2017 at 1:52 pm
(This post was last modified: April 20, 2017 at 1:54 pm by henryp.)
(April 20, 2017 at 12:43 pm)Aroura Wrote:(April 20, 2017 at 11:57 am)wallym Wrote: I disagree.Many people in this march were other parties. Independents now make up MORE people than Democrats in the US. The participants in the march came from ALL parties (though less from the right), there were many 3rd party people marching. This wasn't, as you try to make it out, Just Democrats
12% of registered voters are black. That means 20-25% of democrats are black. That's approx between 1 in 4 and 1 in 5.
12% of registered voters are hispanic. They're closer to 70%? democrat. That's 1 in 6ish.
Add those together, that's north of 1 in 3 registered democrats are Black or Hispanic.
And most importantly, there are a lot of non-white people in that picture. Are you blind? Hispanic and Asian folks can have fairly pale skin still. As a person who lives in a neighborhood where I am outnumbered, statistically, by hispanics, I can tell you they often look pretty much white, just most often with dark hair (and not always that, it's quite normal to have red, brown, even blond hair and be latino). You assume they should all "stick out", but that isn't how it works.
Oh, and I'll back up my assertions with data, not just my own thoughts.
More Independants than Democrats OR Republicans in the US
But if you just wanna go with photos, every photo I look at for the march has people of color in it. The full 1/3rd you claim? Perhaps not. But at least 1 in 4 or 5. And it's not like they all carry signs that say "I'm a person of color!".
I concede the hispanic appearance thing. I think as long as immigration keeps being talked about, there shouldn't be a problem with turning them out anyways. I don't off the top of my head remember how they turned out in the '16 election. But intuitively, indifference doesn't seem like it'd be a problem. Although, if we're including all POC, only 62% of the country is White (non-hispanic). If half of them are Republicans (low estimate?) That leaves 38% POC and 31% white. If we say 75% POC are non-republican, that leaves very close to 1-1 POC to White person.
Only the 62% white is an actual statistic there. The rest are guesses, so you can feel free to question them. But the real point is that I don't think you're seeing anywhere near the expected racial mix. And my 1 in 3, if we're including asian/native american/other should be closer to 1 in 2, which doesn't even make them a minority in the demographic.
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If you look at a Black Lives Matter march, however, you don't have to do the "Two of these Six might not be white. I can't be sure."
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But to the original point, how invested do you think the black vote as a demographic is in Trump's tax returns? If I were a black person, and cops were still beating the shit out of and killing us willy nilly, and kids were still stuck without water in Flint, and I saw millions of people organizing to march over tax returns, I think there would be a disconnect. Because unlike the white college kid at a Tax march, black people don't have the luxury of moving on from BLM and Flint.
If Trump's tax returns are released, white people would lose their shit. It'd be a huge celebration. Twitter would be aflutter with high fives and we did its. But black people would still have to send their kids to shitty schools, dodge bullets in their neighborhood at the bus stop, and hope a cop doesn't shoot their kid because they were holding a cell phone that "looked like a gun."
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It's the same with immigration. A lot of us fairly well off people (i'm not necessarily including anyone here in this, as I don't know anyones situation) have our big debate about whether or not we let the Mexicans come in and cut our lawn and pick fruit for us. But when it's all said and done, the kids who don't speak english aren't going to my kids school. The bad hombres aren't in my city. The uninsured people aren't filling up my emergency room.
It goes along with an idea in the other thread about the College kids. It's all philosophy to them. There are no consequences or rewards. Regardless of what happens, they'll probably at least get an okay job and live an okay life no matter who is president. I think there is danger in losing sight of reality when people who don't have any skin in the game are the one's driving the political discourse.