What is your favourite positive argument for atheism/unbelief?

[Angrboda]

You're such an idiot.  These people suffer clinical death, the cessation of blood flow and breathing, but not brain death -- the death of the cells of the brain.  There is no resurrection from brain death.  So no, it's named correctly as NEAR death experience.


What in fuckall does that have to do with whether OBEs are hallucinatory or not.  Didn't have an answer, eh?

Regardless, you're the one saying that it's not possible.  That's your claim and your burden of proof.  So far you've got squat and plenty of counter-evidence in the form of G-LOC and ketamine and anoxia.

"When you have a malfunction in the brain you can not build up a clear, sharp and vivid experience." Little Rik, 4/19/17, "What is logic?"



We've been through this and you didn't have any evidence for it before either.  Picking up on one word and trying to make a feast of it is a chump move, especially when you don't have any evidence.   But look! "Ketamine administered by intravenous injection is capable of reproducing all of the features of the NDE which have been commonly described."  In other words, it's the same.  And your garbage about natural versus unnatural is just that. The question is not whether drugs are bad but whether "clear, sharp and vivid" hallucinations can be duplicated experimentally, and they can.  If a chemical soup in the brain can produce clear, vivid and sharp hallucinations experimentally, then it can also do so naturally.  Your natural versus unnatural complaint is beside the point.  (And you're also shifting the goalposts; it wasn't a question of whether the experiences were THE SAME as in an NDE, but whether a 'malfunctioning' brain can produce clear, sharp, and vivid experiences.  It can.  You failed doubly.)

You are a total idiot Yog.  

The experiences can not possibly be the same.
When you administer drugs the brain is still alive and the consciousness is still inside the brain.
With NDEs is a different story because the consciousness has already separate from the body-brain.
The fact that you will feel bliss even with drugs is because drugs have an effect on the pineal glad and the consciousness within.

On the other hand when the consciousness has separate from the body-brain she is 100% free therefore
the experience can not be compared to when the consciousness is not 100% free.
Have you ever ask yourself why prisoners try to escape from the jail?

I guess you never thought about that Yog, did you?  

"It's not possible! It's not possible!" You have a habit of claiming things you couldn't possibly know.

You know, if you try real hard, you just *might* be able to move that goalpost. That you're not even arguing the right point tells me all I need to know about you.

Anyway, still no evidence. And I'm tired of your bullshit assertions. So, fuck off.

I had an NDE about 6 days before the first time I took ketamine because my then partner died. ... I had acquired the "K" (ketamine) a week previously for the party, but didn't do it until a few days after she died. It was the first time I had taken "K". ... It was like a way out and it was exactly like the out-of-body thing.

http://www.near-death.com/science/halluc...-ndes.html