What is logic?

[Angrboda]

First you say that Pam was not dead during her operation because her brain was still active.

Did I say that?

For what it's worth, Pam Reynolds' brain was still fully functional when she had her OBE and described what she saw from above the operating table.

No, I did not.

It's this type of sloppiness which is why you have such a distorted view of the evidence. You have no head for detail. With you, it's all sloppy generalities and "someone said." That's why you attributed visions of God to "All others" who had NDEs when it was only 56% of them. This is why your evidence to Lucanus is no more specific than 'some chap' had such and such experiences. You're sloppy with the evidence through and through. This is why you erred in attributing to me something that I didn't say. And it's why your conclusions fail.

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Wrong, wrong and more wrong.  
Fail, fail and more failing.

But first let us see what this Pan Reynolds said........... The brain is like a computer that runs our body but the soul directs energy when we have a body. .......and then............. I wish everyone could experience this. So that no more questions would arise, everyone would know. I think this is beyond science..........and then..............I know I was dead because someone (doctor) told me that I was dead......

http://neardth.com/pam-reynolds-interview.php

and then let us see about her operation.

Dr. Robert F. Spetzler, of the Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix, Arizona, who had pioneered a daring surgical procedure known as deep hypothermic cardiac arrest carry out the operation which required that Pam's body temperature be lowered to 60 degrees, her heartbeat and breathing stopped, her brain waves flattened, and the blood drained from her head. In everyday terms, she was put to death.

You're fucking screwed up on the facts, as usual.

The fact that she was clinically dead during part of her operation says nothing about whether she was clinically dead at the time she had her NDE.  Because she accurately overheard comments about her arteries being too small, we can accurately time when she had her NDE and it was before the blood was drained and such. (It would have to be.  How could she overhear comments detailing the difficulty with the arteries if at the same time those arteries had already been intubated and drained?  Your claims about when her OBE/NDE occurred make no sense.)  The question is not was she clinically dead during her procedure, she was, but was she clinically dead when she had her OBE and NDE; no, she wasn't.  

Of course, the issue of whether Pam was "really" dead within standstill is an extraordinarily misleading red herring in this context. And it is blatantly irresponsible for Sabom to explicitly state that her NDE occurred "while in this state." As Sabom's own account reveals, her standstill condition had absolutely nothing to do with the time when we know that her near-death OBE began: A full two hours and five minutes before the medical staff even began to cool her blood, during perfectly normal body temperature![19] (Again, see Figure 1.)

Unlike the other elements of her NDE, we can precisely time when Pam's OBE began because she did accurately describe an operating room conversation. Namely, she accurately recalled comments made by her cardiothoracic surgeon, Dr. Murray, about her "veins and arteries being very small" (Pam's words) (Sabom, "Light" 42). Two operative reports allow us to time this observation. First, in the head surgeon's report, Dr. Robert Spetzler noted that when he was cutting open Pam's skull, "Dr. Murray performed bilateral femoral cut-downs for cannulation for cardiac bypass" (185). So at about the same time that Dr. Spetzler was opening Pam's skull, Dr. Murray began accessing Pam's blood vessels so that they could be hooked up to the bypass machine which would cool her blood and ultimately bring her to standstill. Second, Dr. Murray's operative report noted that "the right common femoral artery was quite small" and thus could not be hooked up to the bypass machine. Consequently, Murray's report continues, "bilateral groin cannulation would be necessary: This was discussed with Neurosurgery, as it would affect angio access postoperatively for arteriography" (185). And although Pam's mother was given a copy of the head surgeon's operative report (which she said Pam did not read), the report did not say anything about any of Pam's arteries being too small (Sabom, "Shadow" 7).

https://infidels.org/library/modern/keit...s.html#pam [emphasis mine]

She was not on cardiac bypass at the time of her out of body experience, because the cardiothoracic surgeon was having trouble introducing the cardiac bypass machine tubing into the blood vessels of her right groin - they were too small for the size of the tubing and the blood flow needed for cardiac bypass.

http://neardth.com/pam-reynolds-near-dea...hp#cardiac [emphasis mine]

I knew you'd duck the question of how you know there is a qualitative difference between NDEs of the clinically dead and of those not clinically dead.  

Well I made sense of your mess of generalities.  Care to answer the question?

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The International Association for Near-Death Studies sent out a questionnaire in 1992 inquiring about those who considered themselves to be near-death experiencers.  How close had they been to physical death when their episode occurred? ... 37 percent had theirs in a setting unrelated to anything that could be construed as life threatening. ... The 37 percenters claimed to have experiences every bit as real, involved, and life-changing as those that happened to people during death or close-brush-with-death crises; and their reports duplicate or parallel the same spread of scenario types and a pattern of psychological and physiological aftereffects.

— P.M.H. Atwater, The Big Book of Near-Death Experiences

(emphasis mine)

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So I'll ask you again, "How do you know that there is a difference (between NDEs of the clinically dead and those not so)?"  What experience of yours led you to the knowledge* that the NDE of a clinically dead person is different from that of someone not clinically dead?