What is logic?

[Angrboda]

So I'll ask you again, "How do you know that there is a difference (between NDEs of the clinically dead and those not so)?"  What experience of yours led you to the knowledge* that the NDE of a clinically dead person is different from that of someone not clinically dead?

I got good news for you Yog.  

I decided to nominated you for the Nobel price for imbecility for asking a question like this.  

Are you excited about that?  

When I have ever said that those who are NOT dead can have an NDE?
I rather said that only those who are dead can have an NDE but you as usual mix everything up and you came up with the story that I said this and that so now you expect me that I tell you this and that.

Seek medical help Yog because you are getting worse by the day.  

But let me made it clear once again.
For death I mean when the consciousness leave the body-brain.
There may well be still activity in the brain.
That however doesn't mean that the brain is alive.
Once the consciousness is gone the brain is like a vehicle without the driver.
It may be still warm and for few more minutes there may be activity but at that stage is dead.
Without the consciousness is dead.
Now your stupid question ask me what is the difference ........... between NDEs of the clinically dead and those not so..........
Once again I said dead not clinically or biologic or any other form of death and I also said that only when you are dead you can have an NDE.
Who suppose to be your ....those not so?
Are they alive are they dead are they clinically dead are they biologic dead?
You don't say who they are those not so.
If you are not clear is like asking me why the birds don't live inside the water or why the fishes don't live on land or on air.
Stupid questions from stupid fool.  

Wow.  Look at all that sauce.  And still not an answer to the question.

There are people who have had experiences they identify as an NDE, despite the fact that they never were "dead" in whatever terms you consider dead.  You have implied that there is a difference between what those people experience and a "real NDE" experience.  How do you know there is a difference in the clarity, vividness and sharpness of their experiences, between their NDE-like experiences, and the "real NDE" of someone who died?

Is that clear enough for you, asshole?

First of all, about 50% of the subjects who report NDEs are not clinically dead - in fact, they aren't even close to dying.

That is not true.
If you read the NDEs experiences you will find that people really die physically speaking.

Second of all, it is not at all clear *when* an NDE actually happens! And you cannot rule out the (very mundane, and boring, I get it) possibility that it happens right before the "flat EEG" (if that even happens) or during the patient's recovery from it.

Wrong again Luc.
If you read the NDEs experiences you will see that most people die all of a sudden many times due to serious accidents.
In these cases the EEG get flat immediately and before that these people where fully conscious.

Besides, many typical features of NDEs (such as seeing light, being at peace and feeling clear of mind) can actually be attributed to malfunctions in specific areas of the brain such as the locus coeruleus or more generally to hypoxia. And all of this is the results of validated observations and studies, not just guesswork and pats on the back (as this is how you seem to think the scientific community works.

So... No. NDEs do not prove that consciousness exists independently from the brain. Try again.

Wrong again Luc.
When you have a malfunction in the brain you can not build up a clear, sharp and vivid experience.

(emphasis mine)