Can someone tell me where in the 2nd amendment it says you can carry machine guns?

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Can someone tell me where it states one MUST own a gun?

Therefore, gun owners should do us all a favor and not own guns.

Don't go there, some of the far right worshipers would mandate that. I don't want one. 

They should do us a favor and consider our current laws are not as effective as they'd like to believe.

36,000 firearm deaths on average per year of all types and mostly with the user or someone the user knows, would not indicate to me we have a grip on effectively reducing gun deaths.

And again, the reason I don't want one isn't demanding nobody ever have one. I am only arguing that we have small minority of gun users who don't want to face that we have a gun death epidemic.

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Your silly assed idea of "help" is neither needed or helpful. You got a time out at TTA, not a ban. I think that you need help, personally. You don't even understand his situation, you just went on another blithering anti-gun tirade.

Ok fine, you can use that line of argument too.

You, "You're the one who needs help"

See that doesn't help your side of the argument, because currently our vetting system would NOT prevent me from legally buying a firearm because right now, I have not legally documented record of violent felonies nor would my depression prevent me from legally buying one under my current status. Again, I feel lucky about myself because I am self aware. I don't want one, much less feel I need one. But strictly from a legal standpoint, if I were too buy a firearm tomorrow, I would be "legal at time of buy".

Cant have it both ways. KUSA thinks conservatively I am liberal, other liberals own firearms, but the one thing we do both have in common is admitting to thoughts of calling it quits. Now do you seriously think anyone, left or right who expresses those thoughts should be near a loaded weapon or have access to weapons and ammunition? Now even if you are not concerned with me, KUSA also expressed those thoughts, so again, you don't have to like me, but if you care about him, then his expressions of calling it quits and being around weapons SHOULD concern you.

Go back and read that CDC list.

And how dare you claim that his life is worse than mine, or because I am a liberal I don't share the same mental issues. The only difference between him and me  our economic political views. I have never, nor will ever claim I am perfect, or the deserves harm because I don't like his arguments. 

I do know what it is like to have my life put in danger around someone with a firearm who shouldn't have had one. I do know what it is like to intensely feel "life sucks". I do know what it is like to worry about my other family members whom have the same issues as I do, but again, they don't see what I see, they don't see that those issues are not good combos mixed with weapons. And these are NOT people I hate, these are people I love, people in my own family.

And you have not been paying attention to him dishing it out a year go bragging about how Trump would win, his views have changed since then, but that is not the point. You didn't notice his thread using "you live in your mommy's basement" and wouldn't even listen to me when I said, "I don't even like that argument when Liberals use that against conservatives. He used very blunt and salty language to me. I was more ticked at his logic than his word choice.

You, "I need help", well again, unfortunately that would not prevent most firearm buyers with mental issues whom have no record at time of buy.

You are being selective because he ALSO expressed how his life sucks. So you saying because he likes guns like you that magically will prevent him from hurting himself even though he has talked like he is tired of life?

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It is not as though the gun is a biological part of you; therefore, you should have no legal right to it.

See now when the right  wingers read this they will gloss over my disagreement with this.

From the Standpoint of SCALIA I agree, firearm ownership is not a free for all.

But no, if someone can prove like you do with a drivers licence, that they can do it right, and have no mental illness or addictions or history of violence, and lock them up, and don't brag about it, I can see people having them.

I have only been arguing all this time, that our current laws are NOT keeping them out of the wrong hands, because most firearm deaths are with the user, not user vs complete stranger.

I do agree with the right to own a firearm, UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS and with the right and effective regulations. 

Saying the mentally ill, the addict, the abuser should not have them is reasonable. Saying that we don't do enough vet those people who can be legal at time of buy but become an addict, become depressed or become an abuser after their legal perchase, is also reasonable. Saying that you don't need big clips or spray weapons is not a call for an all out ban.

But again, this is what frustrates me. I cant even get people to see that I am disagreeing with your statement. 

Guns are not humans, that is what you mean by that. I agree, humans have rights, objects are not humans and don't deserve protection. Having a right to any form of property is not saying that property itself should be a free for all. Your house has certain wiring specks, certain required studs per feet, certain load bearing beams required, and it would not be legal to sell a house if those specks are not met.

I don't have enough straw to stuff the army you have constructed. "Rational poet"? Holy shit. You have the signal honor of being the first person I have ever set to ignore on the entire internet. Dude, you need to get a grip.