(May 10, 2017 at 3:30 pm)Aroura Wrote:(May 10, 2017 at 3:16 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I appreciate it.
Though I feel like I've already answered that question and given my explanations. I'm not sure how else I can say the same thing.
Ok, let me try again.
"Explain to yourself first, and then anyone here, how anything is free if it cannot be any other way because the outcome is already known by God."
So far, you're explanation is simply that God stands outside of time and space, but this does not even begin to answer the question, that only explains HOW he experiences all things (and not very well at that), it does not address at all how that gives you or anyone free will. You've simply sidestepped the question, not answered it.
I feel like that is answering it though. Let's try this. Imagine you see me grabbing a slice of cheese pizza instead of pepperoni. You know I chose cheese because you're seeing me do it, right? That's God as well, seeing us making our choices. Except that's how it is for God at all moments of time. Not just in the present.
Quote:For instance, right now, you have the "choice" to respond to me or not. God already knows which way that will be. How are you choosing it, then? Can you possibly CHOOSE the other way that God has not forseen??
If the answer to the underlined is no, then how is this a choice at all?
Again, God is not "forseeing". That would mean He's in the present, looking at the future. Rather, to Him there is no past, present, or future. He's seeing it happen all at once.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh