(May 10, 2017 at 6:19 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:(May 10, 2017 at 2:28 pm)Valyza1 Wrote: So basically, what you are calling Free Will is the complete absence of Determinism, yes? If that's the case, then I agree with you. Free Will, by that definition, does not exist, because determinism does exist.
No. I'm not saying that free will is the absence of determinism. I'm saying that the kind of free will that is incompatible with determinism is logically impossible and logically incoherent.
And I'm saying that the kind of free will that is compatible with determinism is so trivially true that it's not worthy to even be a part of the free will discussion. Compatabilism is an embarassment.
A compatabilist joining the free will debate is like a dude running up to a bunch of inventors and scientists trying to create a time machine and saying "Hey guys! I've solved it! Time is space-time so we already travel through time when we travel through space.... you're time travelling now just by walking up to me to punch me in the face for side-stepping the problem! Yay!.... wait..."
(May 10, 2017 at 6:14 pm)Valyza1 Wrote: What is "incompatiblist Free Will "?
The opposite of compatabilist free will.
All I ever thought I was talking about when discussing Free Will is the ability to pursue whatever it is that we will to pursue. It's about as simple as that. It doesn't mean we will always attain the object of our pursuit nor that the will itself to pursue is undetermined, just that we are free to engage in the pursuit no matter what hindrances come about. The sense of freedom is neither true nor false, it's just a sense of freedom. It is the constant opportunity to synchronize our desires to our reality. If only absolute freedom can be considered free, then there is no freedom at all. Even God would not be considered free because He is constrained by His own will.
