RE: Theistic Inclinations
May 12, 2017 at 9:54 am
(This post was last modified: May 12, 2017 at 10:03 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 11, 2017 at 11:09 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: A common topic on AF is how much evidence is required to believe in God. I think it is pretty clear that for the overwhelming majority of AF members, no amount of evidence would be sufficient. As far as I’m concerned, God is not as hidden as they suggest. Everyone knows that some things are right and some things are wrong. It takes a special effort to believe in moral relativism. Everyone senses the transcendent in things of great beauty. It takes a special effort to attribute those feelings to just physiological responses. Anyone can see that things are not right in the world and that most often we have only ourselves to blame. It takes a special effort to consider yourself blameless in all this mess. The list goes on. That is what Paul is talking about; they suppress the truth in unrighteousness.
Everyone does not know that. Knowledge presupposes belief and certainly not everyone believes in objective morality, even if they're mistaken for not believing in it (in at least some sense).
If you think that objective right and wrong is an indication of God you're making a total non-sequitur.
On the contrary: When there's objective right and wrong you don't need God to tell you it's right or wrong... it's right or wrong regardless of what God says and regardless of what anyone says.
Everyone senses the transcendent? Really? Once again... a non-sequitur. We feel that things are meaningful... that doesn't entail that they are transcendent.
And you're making an argument from personal incredulity if you think it just seems ridiculous to you personally for meaningful feelings to be a matter of brain chemistry.
(May 12, 2017 at 9:52 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:Neo-Scholastic Wrote:In the first case there is contrition for one's shortcomings. In the second case, there is not.
So God will accept murderers if they are contrite, even if they don't accept Jesus as their savior?
No. He's saying that being truly sorry for murder is acknowledging your shortcomings and is worthy of forgiveness... but never believing in Jesus is not acknowledging your shortcomings (i.e. your 'sin' of involuntarily failing to be convinced).... so the former is forgiven but the latter isn't.
If they murder and feel genuine remorse but still don't accept Jesus as their savior they still have a 'shortcoming'.
