Theistic morality

[Foxaèr]

Nothing ever done in service of God can ever be called sin.

Basically, any theist can commit a heinous act and make the claim that it was done in service of god in order to absolve himself of guilt. The theist, in essence, deludes himself into a state of morality.

Can a theist truly be so far gone that he genuinely believes his acts are moral, when in truth the acts are highly immoral? Or does the theist simply use god as a means to an end, knowing full well that his morality is driven more by personal inner turmoil than any real divinity or understanding of right from wrong?

How can a theist cause such obvious suffering to someone else and not realize it for what it is? Misrepresenting it as love or compassion is not reasonable.

If the theist regularly absolves himself of guilt, without comprehending that his actions are not moral just because he has attached the term god to it, then he is no better than a veritable sociopath. He lacks empathy, because he cannot sympathize with how the other person is suffering due to his immoral behavior and his immoral actions.

If theists were at all capable of feeling real sympathy, not the fake feelings they profess, then there would be less suffering in the world.

[Minimalist]

Such bullshit came right from the top, at Cleremont, 1095.

"All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if you do not aid those who, with us, profess the Christian religion! Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against the faithful now go against the infidels and end with victory this war which should have been begun long ago. Let those who for a long time, have been robbers, now become knights. Let those who have been fighting against their brothers and relatives now fight in a proper way against the barbarians. Let those who have been serving as mercenaries for small pay now obtain the eternal reward. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul now work for a double honor.

Pope Urban II

[Bad Wolf]

Can a theist truly be so far gone that he genuinely believes his acts are moral, when in truth the acts are highly immoral?

Yes. A bunch of muslims thought they were doing the right thing when the flew planes into buildings. Suicide bombers think they are totally moral, sacrificing themselves for their god.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The serial murderer explains his actions with, 'God told me to do this' and is roundly denounced by theists who insist that God would never incite someone to heinous acts of violence. Given Jehovah's long 'history' of doing just that, it makes me marvel at the disconnect some people are able to maintain without their skulls exploding from to cognitive dissonance overload.

Let us never forget that the WTC attacks, the London underground bombings and the Tokyo sarin attacks were all faith-based initiatives.

Boru

[archangle]

Nothing ever done in service of God can ever be called sin.

Basically, any theist can commit a heinous act and make the claim that it was done in service of god in order to absolve himself of guilt. The theist, in essence, deludes himself into a state of morality.

Can a theist truly be so far gone that he genuinely believes his acts are moral, when in truth the acts are highly immoral? Or does the theist simply use god as a means to an end, knowing full well that his morality is driven more by personal inner turmoil than any real divinity or understanding of right from wrong?

How can a theist cause such obvious suffering to someone else and not realize it for what it is? Misrepresenting it as love or compassion is not reasonable.

If the theist regularly absolves himself of guilt, without comprehending that his actions are not moral just because he has attached the term god to it, then he is no better than a veritable sociopath. He lacks empathy, because he cannot sympathize with how the other person is suffering due to his immoral behavior and his immoral actions.

If theists were at all capable of feeling real sympathy, not the fake feelings they profess, then there would be less suffering in the world.

lmao

if a rapist does the crime in the name of god it is a sin none the less big feller. There would be less suffering if we removed any large group of people. Lets say ... russia.

some pea seeds stay pea seeds.

[John V]

Nothing ever done in service of God can ever be called sin.

Basically, any theist can commit a heinous act and make the claim that it was done in service of god in order to absolve himself of guilt. The theist, in essence, deludes himself into a state of morality.

It makes no sense to say that he "deludes himself into a state of morality" unless you can prove that objective morality exists and he's in violation of it.

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If theists were at all capable of feeling real sympathy, not the fake feelings they profess, then there would be less suffering in the world.

Sure. Same with atheists. Lots of people here talk about suffering, yet also talk about booze and drugs. If they really cared about the suffering, they'd take the time and money devoted to getting high and give it to those who are suffering.

[Rampant.A.I.]

So why doesn't AM spend his meth budget on people who are suffering?

[Bad Wolf]

Ah but many of us suffer without alcohol so spending money on it is ok.

[Tonus]

Can a theist truly be so far gone that he genuinely believes his acts are moral, when in truth the acts are highly immoral?

That's something of a loaded question, even if we avoid the question of absolute morals. If we accept that moral behavior can be conditional, then it gets even trickier, and atheists seem more inclined to accept that proposition in a general sense.

I do think that the more important point is that for the theist, the moral code can be reduced to "what god commands." There may not be an act that is inherently moral or immoral (or good/bad, or right/wrong). It is entirely dependent on whether god commands you to do it, or commands you not to. In that sense, any action can be moral or immoral. But aside from mental problems, they can't really just pick a particular action and say "yeah, this is what god wants me to do."

[Mystical]

Nothing ever done in service of God can ever be called sin.

Basically, any theist can commit a heinous act and make the claim that it was done in service of god in order to absolve himself of guilt. The theist, in essence, deludes himself into a state of morality.

Can a theist truly be so far gone that he genuinely believes his acts are moral, when in truth the acts are highly immoral? Or does the theist simply use god as a means to an end, knowing full well that his morality is driven more by personal inner turmoil than any real divinity or understanding of right from wrong?

How can a theist cause such obvious suffering to someone else and not realize it for what it is? Misrepresenting it as love or compassion is not reasonable.

If the theist regularly absolves himself of guilt, without comprehending that his actions are not moral just because he has attached the term god to it, then he is no better than a veritable sociopath. He lacks empathy, because he cannot sympathize with how the other person is suffering due to his immoral behavior and his immoral actions.

If theists were at all capable of feeling real sympathy, not the fake feelings they profess, then there would be less suffering in the world.

This is dead on correct. It is possible, to believe you are moral with God while doing immoral things. My abuser was such. He even had me believe he was moral, too. In the end, he is indeed just a psychopath sociopath. Religion draws in these kinds of people.
To this day I guarantee this person believes they are sinless. History shows differently.