RE: Why is it okay when God kills people?
May 13, 2017 at 1:33 am
(This post was last modified: May 13, 2017 at 1:34 am by GrandizerII.)
(May 12, 2017 at 8:28 pm)SteveII Wrote: I think its an appropriate question (otherwise I would not have responded). However the whole premise is that God owes us something.
Or that God respects our right to life simply because it's an honorable thing for a divine being who supposedly created us to do.
Quote:The only thing that is owed us is death apart from the grace of God.
Says SteveII and not God.
Quote:Why do we deserve death? Part of being God is being holy and just (essential attributes).
Bullshit on "holy" being an essential attribute of God. And your theological notion of "just" is so bronze-age and not in tune with our modern humane intuitions of what is just, that to attach such a notion to God should be seen as an insult to one's intelligence. Surely, God is beyond such bronze-age conception of "just".
Quote:His justice demands that there be an atonement for anything short of holy. Nothing created could satisfy the justice attribute of an eternal God and bridge the gap to holy so God humbled himself in the person of Jesus and made a sacrifice of eternal substance with eternal significance for all time (past, present and future).
Says SteveII (and his preachers) and not God.
Quote:So, when God kills someone, we see that he certainly has the right to, but that can't be all there is to it because why doesn't he just kill anyone at any time and why the whole plan of redemption in the NT? It is reasonable to infer then that there was another reason than just plain judgement -- mainly that it was for greater good or long-term consequences only an omniscient mind could calculate (as an example, motivation, or some other effect that might have taken years or centuries to realize--like the conditions that led to Jesus' life, death and resurrection.
Or an even better explanation, and one that is so conclusively clear you'd have to have a Christian agenda to reject it, is that Christian theism is man-made (resulting in errors and contradictions and ambiguities typical of humans), and hence we have all this confusion and nonsensical conceptions of "just" and "right" resulting from such confusion.