RE: Why is it okay when God kills people?
May 13, 2017 at 5:05 pm
(This post was last modified: May 13, 2017 at 5:29 pm by Rhondazvous.)
(May 12, 2017 at 8:28 pm)SteveII Wrote: I think its an appropriate question (otherwise I would not have responded). However the whole premise is that God owes us something. The only thing that is owed us is death apart from the grace of God. Why do we deserve death? Part of being God is being holy and just (essential attributes). His justice demands that there be an atonement for anything short of holy. Nothing created could satisfy the justice attribute of an eternal God and bridge the gap to holy so God humbled himself in the person of Jesus and made a sacrifice of eternal substance with eternal significance for all time (past, present and future).
So, when God kills someone, we see that he certainly has the right to, but that can't be all there is to it because why doesn't he just kill anyone at any time and why the whole plan of redemption in the NT? It is reasonable to infer then that there was another reason than just plain judgement -- mainly that it was for greater good or long-term consequences only an omniscient mind could calculate (as an example, motivation, or some other effect that might have taken years or centuries to realize--like the conditions that led to Jesus' life, death and resurrection.
Since you insist that god is the creator and nobody asked to be created, he does owe us as much as a parent owes his child. A parent who chooses not to provide his child the necessities of life is put in jail for child neglect.
It's not that god owes us death, but he chose to give us death when he with full omniscience set Adam up to din.
Your second paragraph denies the omnipotence of god. An omnipotent god doesn't need to calculate the end result because he creates the end result. There can be no reality outside his will. What you describe is damage control, not grace.
(May 13, 2017 at 12:35 am)Orochi Wrote:(May 12, 2017 at 11:54 pm)Cecelia Wrote: Your reasoning is what's circular. "God is good because he is god."
Based on God's own actions in his own book of propaganda show him to be an unjust and immoral god.
Or god has the right to judge people because he can judge people
Or christians say god is judging people. But when they meet their own untimely suffering and death, they call it something else.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.