RE: God and theists.
May 15, 2017 at 11:29 am
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2017 at 11:33 am by Harry Nevis.)
(May 15, 2017 at 9:53 am)SteveII Wrote:(May 15, 2017 at 9:30 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: No, there are no GOOD reasons to believe that. There are emotionally satisfying reasons, There are no good reasons to believe that a god exists, let alone created anything. Fine-tuning? Please. There is no metaphysical evidence either. Because there is no evidence of anything metaphysical.
Notice that you didn't answer ANY of the questions. You just simply asserted your simple-minded position--which you seem quite satisfied with. Honestly, this is way above your head. You should stick to what you know best (which is decidedly NOT being even a mediocre apologist for atheism).
Because they're bullshit questions. And you know it, but just can't seem to understand how you're "god did it" answers don't convert the world. Fine tuning is all in your head. Why is there something instead of nothing? Your god is not an answer.
No one has to be an "apologist" for atheism. I'm not trying to convert anyone, least of all you. It doesn't need defending to the thinking, rational, emotionally healthy segment of the population. We just have to point out the desperate rationalizations and contradictions of your belief.
(May 15, 2017 at 11:19 am)SteveII Wrote:(May 15, 2017 at 11:10 am)Lutrinae Wrote: Incorrect. What we have at our disposal, which is zero evidence supporting the existence of any god, is the profoundly credible concept that god does not exist.
Mythologies, fictions born of creative minds, heck even Santa Clause and assorted other fairy tales, all teach us that is is most logical to assume something does not exist until veritable evidence of its existence can be provided.
It is not reasonable, after all, to run around spreading apologetic nonsense regarding something that has zero evidence to support its existence.
Evidence and reasons to believe in God:
1. Person of Jesus is compelling.
2. The NT describes actual events including the miracles, life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
3. God works in people's lives today--changing people on the inside as well as the occurrence of miracles.
4. The natural theology arguments:
a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.
More bullshit answers to a simple question. Substitute any deity and it makes as much sense. You said in an earlier post how it bothers you when definitions are twisted to suit. But you use the term "best" as if there is an accepted definition that fits your context. There is no evidence of fine tuning or objective moral values, so there is no need for an "explanation" of them.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam