(May 14, 2017 at 3:35 pm)InteresedUser Wrote: I've been watching lots of YouTube videos on atheism. The argument I like lately why I disagree with Atheism has to do with morality. In naturalism, or a natural only world, everything that happens no matter how good or bad is simply a product of nature so it cannot be said to be moral or immoral. It is amoral. But we human beings consider morality vital to our being. So that seems to be a problem. Not sure you claim there is free will in that case but that is a side point.
So if in nature all the bad stuff that happens is just a product of nature, including bad religion and bad faiths, then can any of it really be considered wrong even if it is contradictory with other world-views, religions or faiths since it is all naturally induced? That would be my question. When someone is a contradiction I have to reject that world-view.
For example, a societal whim in some cultures considers pedophilia acceptable even necessary to preserve the population. Who is to say even though an atheist may claim he rejects pedophilia now would not be justified in his mind to condone it after a significant time has passed even though he may not commit it? Whereas a non-subjective objective law transcends and would never allow pedophilia under any circumstances.
This is why I believe in objective morals and not subjective relativism based on societal whims. Where then can we find objective morals since atheism doesn't provide it for us?
Curious what you think?
What a bunch of crap, saying that neither good or bad being a battle between a divine sky wizard vs a ground troll is NOT saying we advocate lawlessness or violence to others. It merely means nature produces both. It is still up to humans what we choose, and to claim atheists are not capable of empathy and non violence is simply bullshit.
Tornados are destructive and kill people all the time, same with earthquakes and hurricanes. Humans can do very cruel shit to each other, but we can also be very compassionate to each other too.
Saying bad things happen does not mean we want those bad things happening.
And I really do get tired of people bringing up pedophilia trying to attach it to atheism.
If you look at the history of our species in antiquity, you'd know the opposite would be true. In antiquity, in both polytheism and monotheism WORLDWIDE, humans had a higher mortality rate on average, and back then males stupidly saw females as property to be bartered between families, and on average the female would be considered ready for sex between the ages of 9-14.
Western society in the past century has produced better understanding of human biology and better medicine and better psychological understanding of what sexual assault does to kids, not just females.
Unfortunately the idea of child brides and pre arranged marriages still exist worldwide depending on sect, society and or individual family. Warren Jeffs got busted as LDS leader for having sex with minors. In some families of Sikh and Hindu they still value the male head of the household picking the husband for their daughter. Islam is still ripe with child bride concepts, and we can get into the Catholic Church horrible history of covering up pedophile priests.
Atheist means "off" nothing more, it does not mean "automatically evil" or "lawless".
