(May 14, 2017 at 3:35 pm)InteresedUser Wrote: This is why I believe in objective morals and not subjective relativism based on societal whims.Why would you think society bases it's morals on whims?
(May 14, 2017 at 3:35 pm)InteresedUser Wrote: So if in nature all the bad stuff that happens is just a product of nature, including bad religion and bad faiths, then can any of it really be considered wrong even if it is contradictory with other world-views, religions or faiths since it is all naturally induced?
So you're saying that why should we rely on ourselves when we already proven to be bad by inventing bad stuff like religion.
But the problem with religion is not so much it's invention but the fact that it won't go away. It stands in a way of human progress because it is also a business and when some business gets outdated they do anything (lie and confuse people) just to stay alive.
But if you're truly interested into what is advancing human morality then I would say rise in standard of human living. Sure, there were many philosophers and individuals that advanced human kindness, but still probably the main engines are stuff like industrial revolutions. Understanding nature and having more powerful sources of energy were main reasons why people lived longer and were even more kind to each-other - because they have to fight less for resources.
So if you really want to do the best thing when it comes to morality you should probably support more science and education, so that they bring us on an even higher standard of living. That doesn't necessarily mean that all people should put on white coats and go to some lab, but to at least steer politicians to make world more in that way.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"